Married young with two kids, Margaret and Leif Jacobsen navigated different class backgrounds, a mixed-race relationship, and their accidentally uber-traditional gender roles in the pursuit of a life together.

When they decided to divorce, a true friendship emerged from the ashes. They speak with SuChin Pak about how they navigate finances and feelings within a complicated new independence.

Listen here, or subscribe on iTunes.

Open Account is a series of podcasts hosted by SuChin Pak about why money is so universally thrilling, confusing, powerful, and stressful — no matter how much, or how little, you have.

For more inspirational stories, visit madetogrow.com.

Open Account was created in partnership with Umpqua Bank, the West Coast’s largest and most unconventional community bank.

Listen to Episode 2 featuring Lena Waithe and Ravi Patel here.