The Gist: Baratunde Thurston on conversations about race, and a brief history of beer.

Baratunde Thurston’s Advice for Talking About Race

Baratunde Thurston’s Advice for Talking About Race

A daily news and culture podcast with Mike Pesca.
May 28 2015 7:02 PM

Talking About Talking About Race

How can we have better conversations about race? Author Baratunde Thurston offers some rules of thumb.

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Baratunde Thurston is the CEO and co-founder of Cultivated Wit and co-host of the podcast About Race.

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Today on The Gist, a brief history of beer with William Glenn and Trish Parry. Their show A Brief History of Beer is at the Under St. Marks Theater in New York the last Sunday of every month.


Plus, author Baratunde Thurston joins us from the new Panoply podcast About Race. He’s the author of How to Be Black.

Guidelines for talking about race include:

  1. Assume good intentions, especially online.
  2. Shut up. Listen.
  3. Try to make it not just about yourself. “But I’ve never” isn’t a good argument. It’s about a bigger system.

For the Spiel, does it matter if our politicians are out of touch?

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Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.