The Gist: Baratunde Thurston on conversations about race, and a brief history of beer.

Baratunde Thurston’s Advice for Talking About Race

Baratunde Thurston’s Advice for Talking About Race

A daily news and culture podcast with Mike Pesca.
May 28 2015 7:02 PM

Talking About Talking About Race

How can we have better conversations about race? Author Baratunde Thurston offers some rules of thumb.

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Baratunde Thurston is the CEO and co-founder of Cultivated Wit and co-host of the podcast About Race.

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Plus, author Baratunde Thurston joins us from the new Panoply podcast About Race. He’s the author of How to Be Black.

Guidelines for talking about race include:

  1. Assume good intentions, especially online.
  2. Shut up. Listen.
  3. Try to make it not just about yourself. “But I’ve never” isn’t a good argument. It’s about a bigger system.

For the Spiel, does it matter if our politicians are out of touch?

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