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In this Hang Up and Listen NCAA Extra, Josh Levin and Mike Pesca talk to Ken Pomeroy of KenPom.com about Thursday’s upsets, rooting for your algorithm, and why a No. 16 seed should’ve beaten a No. 1 by now.

Here are links to some of the articles and other items mentioned on the show:

• You can see all of Ken Pomeroy’s rankings at KenPom.com.
• Check out Ken’s bracket on Deadspin.
• Thursday’s big upsets: Dayton over Ohio State, Harvard over Cincinnati, North Dakota State over Oklahoma.
• Not quite an upset: No. 1 seed Florida beat No. 16 seed Albany by 12 points.
• In 2012 Ken wrote: “This is the year a 1 loses to a 16.” (He was wrong.)
• In the Wall Street Journal, Ben Cohen explained how a 16-over-1 upset will happen.
• Ken’s piece for Deadspin on Tennessee: “Is a No. 11 Seed Actually Among the Best Teams in the Country?”
• FiveThirtyEight.com made its NCAA predictions by creating a composite of Ken’s ratings and four other college hoops predictions.

Podcast production and edit by Mike Vuolo.

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