Remarks from the Fray:
That Miss Clinton has chosen to speak out about her political beliefs does not mean she has given up all privacy and the right to be treated with respect. She has not shaved her head in public, spread her legs for photographers, or been rushed repeatedly to mental hospitals. She also isn't "a national political figure," she's the child of one. Miss Clinton has never run for office, held office, or done anything to be a public figure. She hasn't flaunted her private life. She participated in political discourse, as I am [doing by posting] here. She has the right to express her views in public, as all Americans may, without foregoing the right of personal privacy. One may certainly argue with her views, but calling her a whore is not doing so.
--MacAdvisor
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When Bill Clinton first took office in the early nineties they were right for protecting their little girl from the harsh and merciless limelight that politics have become. But as Guy pointed out, she is now 28 years old and has willingly joined the political fray in this nation. For Senator Clinton and her husband to act like their daughter cannot be criticized or lampooned like any other adult in this country is ridiculous.
Remember if Hillary wins and serves 2 full terms Chelsea will be old enough to run for president. Will Chelsea still be able to proclaim herself off limits to criticism and lampooning as she claims experience back to her play pen when Daddy was a governor?
Chelsea must learn that if you jump in the mud hole you're going to get mud all over yourself. Look how the Bush girls were treated as they drank themselves stupid and did illegal drugs. They were skewered and rightly so. Chelsea does not get a free ride either.
--NickD
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The fact that "pimped" is now used to refer to things like cars or data in no way means that popular culture has decided it's acceptable to use it in reference to women. When MTV gets a show called Pimp My Daughter to refer to mothers getting their daughters dates, then you could make that claim, but Pimp My Car is in no way equivalent. I agree that popular culture has expanded the phrase from it's original meaning, though I completely disagree that it could ever be said to be devoid of at least a sexual undertone, but when you use "pimped" to refer to a woman, you're making the undertone explicit again. When someone says a person is being pimped out, it means they're a prostitute. When someone says a car is being pimped out, it means it's being decorated in the gaudy fashion that a pimp might like. It still celebrates the idea of the pimp, but it's no longer explicitly celebrating the act that a pimp performs. So pimping a car and pimping a person, while the same phrase aren't making the same comparison at all.
--Wpeotih
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I had a soft spot for Hillary back in 92 when Hill and Bill were on their first national campaign, She was (and is) a very bright lawyer (ranked in the top 100) and highly knowledgeable on a vast number of topics. At that time the media and many of opponents wanted her to be the traditional first lady. However she fought back, with her "I don't bake cookies" comment and others...which I thought was great.
However, for the last 16 years Hillary never seems to have stopped fighting. She fought Travelgate, for her healthcare plan, Whitewater, "the vast right wing conspiracy", the media, et al. When she talks about her campaign against McCain, she uses the language of "taking the fight" to him. Even McCain doesn't talk like this...and he's supposed to be a hot head. When she talks about "healthcare" she spews a lot a detail and then say's she's going to "fight" for a plan that covers everyone. Now she's in a bar fight over some "off color" comment from a media guy whom hardly anyone even one cares about.
For the last 8 years, the US has had a first class fighter and supreme jerk as its CIC. Perhaps it's time the nation had a breather. Obama, may be lighter on details. However he's got the first and most important step right. For true and lasting change, we need to work together, and need to stop demonizing each other. If you expect a fight, you'll definitely get one.
There are an awful lot of Republicans who don't agree with Obama's "liberal" positions, but would nevertheless vote for him because they feel he'll be reasonable. A some level, I believe that many voters for Obama are simply looking for a truce.
--Bullspotter
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I don't think any card carrying member of the corporate mainstream media, especially one associated with the Clinton-Gore hating MSNBC crowd, would ever have said that any other Presidential candidate was "pimping out" his or her child. That's the kind of coarse language reserved for the Clintons. Furthermore, what's wrong or "weird" with Chelsea Clinton campaigning for her mother? This point has been made before, but the children of candidates routinely campaign for their parents and nobody thinks twice about it. The "boys" of MSNBC have a definite problem with Hillary Clinton, as anyone who saw the loopy Chris Matthews criticize her "Chinese clapping" must attest.
It's tiresome to see how other members of the media, including careerist liberals, close ranks around their fellow journalists and refuse to acknowledge the obvious. [...] Everyone, apparently, wants to be invited onto Hardball. What do you think the reaction would have been if someone had suggested that Cheney was "pimping out" his daughters in a weird way in 2004? Pretty self-evident, isn't it? Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing gong show would still be bellowing about it.
--Ed Szewczyk
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Remarks from the Fray:
That Miss Clinton has chosen to speak out about her political beliefs does not mean she has given up all privacy and the right to be treated with respect. She has not shaved her head in public, spread her legs for photographers, or been rushed repeatedly to mental hospitals. She also isn't "a national political figure," she's the child of one. Miss Clinton has never run for office, held office, or done anything to be a public figure. She hasn't flaunted her private life. She participated in political discourse, as I am [doing by posting] here. She has the right to express her views in public, as all Americans may, without foregoing the right of personal privacy. One may certainly argue with her views, but calling her a whore is not doing so.
--MacAdvisor
(To reply, click here.)
When Bill Clinton first took office in the early nineties they were right for protecting their little girl from the harsh and merciless limelight that politics have become. But as Guy pointed out, she is now 28 years old and has willingly joined the political fray in this nation. For Senator Clinton and her husband to act like their daughter cannot be criticized or lampooned like any other adult in this country is ridiculous.
Remember if Hillary wins and serves 2 full terms Chelsea will be old enough to run for president. Will Chelsea still be able to proclaim herself off limits to criticism and lampooning as she claims experience back to her play pen when Daddy was a governor?
Chelsea must learn that if you jump in the mud hole you're going to get mud all over yourself. Look how the Bush girls were treated as they drank themselves stupid and did illegal drugs. They were skewered and rightly so. Chelsea does not get a free ride either.
--NickD
(To reply, click here.)
The fact that "pimped" is now used to refer to things like cars or data in no way means that popular culture has decided it's acceptable to use it in reference to women. When MTV gets a show called Pimp My Daughter to refer to mothers getting their daughters dates, then you could make that claim, but Pimp My Car is in no way equivalent. I agree that popular culture has expanded the phrase from it's original meaning, though I completely disagree that it could ever be said to be devoid of at least a sexual undertone, but when you use "pimped" to refer to a woman, you're making the undertone explicit again. When someone says a person is being pimped out, it means they're a prostitute. When someone says a car is being pimped out, it means it's being decorated in the gaudy fashion that a pimp might like. It still celebrates the idea of the pimp, but it's no longer explicitly celebrating the act that a pimp performs. So pimping a car and pimping a person, while the same phrase aren't making the same comparison at all.
--Wpeotih
(To reply, click here.)
I had a soft spot for Hillary back in 92 when Hill and Bill were on their first national campaign, She was (and is) a very bright lawyer (ranked in the top 100) and highly knowledgeable on a vast number of topics. At that time the media and many of opponents wanted her to be the traditional first lady. However she fought back, with her "I don't bake cookies" comment and others...which I thought was great.
However, for the last 16 years Hillary never seems to have stopped fighting. She fought Travelgate, for her healthcare plan, Whitewater, "the vast right wing conspiracy", the media, et al. When she talks about her campaign against McCain, she uses the language of "taking the fight" to him. Even McCain doesn't talk like this...and he's supposed to be a hot head. When she talks about "healthcare" she spews a lot a detail and then say's she's going to "fight" for a plan that covers everyone. Now she's in a bar fight over some "off color" comment from a media guy whom hardly anyone even one cares about.
For the last 8 years, the US has had a first class fighter and supreme jerk as its CIC. Perhaps it's time the nation had a breather. Obama, may be lighter on details. However he's got the first and most important step right. For true and lasting change, we need to work together, and need to stop demonizing each other. If you expect a fight, you'll definitely get one.
There are an awful lot of Republicans who don't agree with Obama's "liberal" positions, but would nevertheless vote for him because they feel he'll be reasonable. A some level, I believe that many voters for Obama are simply looking for a truce.
--Bullspotter
(To reply, click here.)
I don't think any card carrying member of the corporate mainstream media, especially one associated with the Clinton-Gore hating MSNBC crowd, would ever have said that any other Presidential candidate was "pimping out" his or her child. That's the kind of coarse language reserved for the Clintons. Furthermore, what's wrong or "weird" with Chelsea Clinton campaigning for her mother? This point has been made before, but the children of candidates routinely campaign for their parents and nobody thinks twice about it. The "boys" of MSNBC have a definite problem with Hillary Clinton, as anyone who saw the loopy Chris Matthews criticize her "Chinese clapping" must attest.
It's tiresome to see how other members of the media, including careerist liberals, close ranks around their fellow journalists and refuse to acknowledge the obvious. [...] Everyone, apparently, wants to be invited onto Hardball. What do you think the reaction would have been if someone had suggested that Cheney was "pimping out" his daughters in a weird way in 2004? Pretty self-evident, isn't it? Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing gong show would still be bellowing about it.
--Ed Szewczyk
(To reply, click here.)
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