Remarks from the Fray:
One might assume that anti-bigamy laws would rule out plural marriages, but I don't think it's necessarily so, at least these days. Numerous religious groups--the Unitarian-Universalists, for instance--perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples, and although most states don't recognize these unions, it's not illegal to enter into them. What would be different about polygynous or polyandrous marriages, outside of those small towns in which it is illegal for unmarried couples to cohabit? I don't know of anyone being prosecuted for adultery recently, even where those laws are still on the books, and a married man who fathers a child with a woman not his wife is still, as far as I know, liable for child support.
Why couldn't a couple, Muslim or otherwise, marry legally, then add a second wife to the marriage in a religious, civilly non-binding ceremony, and arrange among themselves through contractual means to safeguard her interests and those of any children she may subsequently have? As long as the second marriage doesn't purport to be a civil marriage as well as a religious one--and as long as the applicable state constitution doesn't contain any amendments intended to prevent any such legal maneuvers--wouldn't a polygynous or polyandrous marriage be legal in most jurisdictions, at least in the sense that no one would go to jail for being in one?
--cociyo
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The suggestion that Muslims might attempt to make polygyny a mainstream issue akin to Mormon attempts is a bit sensationalized. The idea of polygyny in Islam will most likely remain a backroom issue, mainly due to the fact that polygyny is not a religious duty in comparison to, say, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which holds it a duty to have more than one wife.
In Islam, the only thing religiously mandated about polygyny is that there is a limit. There is no religious bearing or judgment as to whether a Muslim has one, or more wives. As such, the issue then becomes one of how writers want to portray it. This particular issue implies that we as Americans better watch out for those dangerous Muslims who want to turn this country into a harem. Chicken Little would be proud.
--tajuddin
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Car insurance companies hire statisticians. Those statisticians have found that indeed, young men are reckless. They have also found that once those young men are married, literally, "settled down" they become less reckless as now they must be providers. In general, wives keep their husbands in line and out of trouble.
What does polygamy do? Imagine a population of 50 men and 50 women. Where each man will take 2 wives if he can. Well, you will potentially have 25 men with 2 wives apiece, and 25 single men. And those 25 single men will be society's worst nightmare: reckless, criminal, irresponsible.
Monogamy is the foundation of modern civilization. A wife to control all men, a father to control all children. Children without fathers and men without wives, will be the downfall of any civilization.
--Madai
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As Muslims we are bound to contracts, ie. we have to respect contracts. When we're citizens/residents of a country, we are bound by a tacit contract that implies that we will respect the laws of the country. So what Ms. Azeez is doing is not only illegal according to US law, but also according to Islamic law.
Personally, I believe that Muslims who practice polygyny, breaking the laws of the country, are an embarrassment to our community. In addition, I find it quite problematic that Muslim men who had agreed previously not to take anymore wives, just come one day to the house and say they have taken other wives, without consulting the first wife at all. How is this being kind to your wife? I am really perplexed by our community's double discourse, where on one hand "women are held in high esteem and very respected in Islam", and on the other your husband can just flirt with a woman, "fall in love" with her and then just make her a "second wife", many times without the wife's knowledge.
I believe polygyny should be legalized so it can be regulated, more than anything. And if people out of their free will want to take more wives then it's up to them.
--Caminante
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(7/27)
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Remarks from the Fray:
One might assume that anti-bigamy laws would rule out plural marriages, but I don't think it's necessarily so, at least these days. Numerous religious groups--the Unitarian-Universalists, for instance--perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples, and although most states don't recognize these unions, it's not illegal to enter into them. What would be different about polygynous or polyandrous marriages, outside of those small towns in which it is illegal for unmarried couples to cohabit? I don't know of anyone being prosecuted for adultery recently, even where those laws are still on the books, and a married man who fathers a child with a woman not his wife is still, as far as I know, liable for child support.
Why couldn't a couple, Muslim or otherwise, marry legally, then add a second wife to the marriage in a religious, civilly non-binding ceremony, and arrange among themselves through contractual means to safeguard her interests and those of any children she may subsequently have? As long as the second marriage doesn't purport to be a civil marriage as well as a religious one--and as long as the applicable state constitution doesn't contain any amendments intended to prevent any such legal maneuvers--wouldn't a polygynous or polyandrous marriage be legal in most jurisdictions, at least in the sense that no one would go to jail for being in one?
--cociyo
(To reply, click here.)
The suggestion that Muslims might attempt to make polygyny a mainstream issue akin to Mormon attempts is a bit sensationalized. The idea of polygyny in Islam will most likely remain a backroom issue, mainly due to the fact that polygyny is not a religious duty in comparison to, say, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which holds it a duty to have more than one wife.
In Islam, the only thing religiously mandated about polygyny is that there is a limit. There is no religious bearing or judgment as to whether a Muslim has one, or more wives. As such, the issue then becomes one of how writers want to portray it. This particular issue implies that we as Americans better watch out for those dangerous Muslims who want to turn this country into a harem. Chicken Little would be proud.
--tajuddin
(To reply, click here.)
Car insurance companies hire statisticians. Those statisticians have found that indeed, young men are reckless. They have also found that once those young men are married, literally, "settled down" they become less reckless as now they must be providers. In general, wives keep their husbands in line and out of trouble.
What does polygamy do? Imagine a population of 50 men and 50 women. Where each man will take 2 wives if he can. Well, you will potentially have 25 men with 2 wives apiece, and 25 single men. And those 25 single men will be society's worst nightmare: reckless, criminal, irresponsible.
Monogamy is the foundation of modern civilization. A wife to control all men, a father to control all children. Children without fathers and men without wives, will be the downfall of any civilization.
--Madai
(To reply, click here.)
As Muslims we are bound to contracts, ie. we have to respect contracts. When we're citizens/residents of a country, we are bound by a tacit contract that implies that we will respect the laws of the country. So what Ms. Azeez is doing is not only illegal according to US law, but also according to Islamic law.
Personally, I believe that Muslims who practice polygyny, breaking the laws of the country, are an embarrassment to our community. In addition, I find it quite problematic that Muslim men who had agreed previously not to take anymore wives, just come one day to the house and say they have taken other wives, without consulting the first wife at all. How is this being kind to your wife? I am really perplexed by our community's double discourse, where on one hand "women are held in high esteem and very respected in Islam", and on the other your husband can just flirt with a woman, "fall in love" with her and then just make her a "second wife", many times without the wife's knowledge.
I believe polygyny should be legalized so it can be regulated, more than anything. And if people out of their free will want to take more wives then it's up to them.
--Caminante
(To reply, click here.)
(7/27)