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Walter Dellinger
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Walter Dellinger
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Kathryn Harrison and D.T. Max
Why Are Obituaries Prepared in Advance?
Posted Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 6:45 PM ETWas I dyspeptic? Sorry, though dyspepsia is a part of breakfast, too. But I apologize. I admire enormously your confidence that the novel will prove resilient. I hope some rubs off on me. That would leave only about 500 entries to the list of things that I quietly worry about. Perhaps you can help next on global warming or why people no longer seem to bother signaling for turns. I also agree with you on the inventor-of-the-little-thing-we-love front. I have always been in awe of the multiplicity of money-making inventions America has birthed. Somewhere on Park Avenue lives the guy who invented the little metal thing that holds the eraser to the pencil--or so I've read somewhere. Assuming he is Jewish and a point made by one of the Fraysters is right--that Jews give disproportionately to politicians and those who give disproportionately get the internships--his children may even be interns. To the victors belong the spoiled.
Kathryn, why are obituaries prepared in advance, anyway? I can only imagine it fills some sort of deep psychic need, a kind of memento mori for Times staffers, because the paper is able to report much bigger stories on a day's notice. It's counterintuitive. Was it Ezra Pound who said literature was news that stays news? If not, it should have been. And whatever else may be true, news about the dead stays news, too. Most people die in private, and all who die stay dead. A reporter could take all the time he wanted. When did some editor there decide that the system would run more smoothly if they would only get the obits done ahead of time? And was it mentioned in his obit? "R.M. Lewis Dies, 89. Pioneered Advanced Obits." (Surely a man who thought that way would be long lived.) That's one I'd read.
The excellent copy editor at Slate has sent me an ex parte query on Am-Burger. This makes me admit that the Am-Burger is long gone from the Amtrak menu. (It was there in the mid='80s with the Am & Cheese sandwich). On my trip to the underworld in the quiet car, I had a Nicoise salad. Someone asked me not to chew so loud. She looked like one of those Chandra Levy drawings (the one with the wig). She was reading a book in German, though, so I assume she really was blond.
Why Are Obituaries Prepared in Advance?
Posted Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 6:45 PM ETReader Comments From The Fray:
[Notes from the Fray Editor: Richard Riley lives in flyover country and has only ever come across 'Jewess' in the book Ivanhoe. A-Z says Jewish practices are matrilineal, not matriarchal. Sean Fitzgerald doesn't know what the deal would be if the intern was black, and asks for enlightenment. Whither the "Breakfast Table"? Regular readers make their comments in this thread, and have suggestions for future participants.]
First of all, it isn't about the supposedly unique attractiveness of Jewish women. Both Clinton and Condit had relationships with other women who were not Jewish. The attractive quality was not Jewishess, but availability. These guys, especially Clinton, had limited opportunities to meet available women. So how are Jewish interns available to Democratic politicians? Two American cultural traditions play a role:
First, internships go to families connected to campaign contributors, and American Jews are disproportionately represented among large contributors to the Democratic party. No surprise that many Democratic interns come from Jewish families.
Second, there is an American Jewish tradition of supporting adult children through more years of education (including unpaid internships) than is standard in other U.S. cultural communities, even at comparable parental income levels. Some connect it to the yeshiva tradition in Eastern Europe, where supporting a scholar who never holds down a job was a matter of pride for an extended family. Why this tradition stuck over the generations even among the nonreligious is an interesting question. Both Chandra and Monica were still apparently supported by their parents well into their mid-twenties.
Put these factors together, and a high proportion of young democratic DC interns are Jewish. It's not a surprise that some of the women get involved with the bosses.
This pop sociology comes from the inside, as I was young and Jewish in the DC intern world myself once, and later a parentally-supported Jewish law student.
--Arthur Stock
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As I see it this "Breakfast Table" manages to give any Frayster a choice of ticking time bombs to try and disarm (or throw at other Fraysters). First, a discussion of the sexual mores of Jewish women. While I have identified a Jewish conspiracy to take all my money and life-force, the conspiracy appears limited to my wife and children. Moreover, a first person comment on whether I think Jewish women are easy for Presbyterian men, would leave me in a deeply compromised position if my wife read it. So I will boldly leave this issue alone. The raising of the second issue reminds me of a little boy who has forgotten what happens when you hit a hornets nest with a stick. So I will simply confine myself to saying that Republicans are low-life fascists who don't deserve to ever hold office in a free country.
--Neill Hamilton
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It doesn't help anybody to understand these situations by pretending that the women involved were empty little china dolls broken by big, bad men. I don't know what the deal is with Levy and Condit, but anyone who read that turgid Starr report saw that Monica Lewinsky was a participant, not a puppet, in what happened.
There are women who are attracted to power, and there are women who play on the shortcomings of powerful men for their own reasons. To suppose otherwise is to deny them the very three-dimensional existence that women's empowerment is supposed to provide. To suppose otherwise is to do a shocking disservice to the thousands of young women who cycle through Washington, DC, every year, working hard and getting ahead and never once thinking that it would be all right to sleep with a married man who insisted you not bring ID on your "dates."
--Shark
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