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Kathryn Harrison and D.T. Max

from: D.T. Max

The Tick in the System

Posted Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 2:32 AM ET

Kathryn,

At last you've taken us all the way up the hill: to death, the top of the mountain, where the novelist reigns supreme and the journalist holds out his hand hoping for some help: date of death, place of birth, hobbies, smackerels like that. We got there Tuesday p.m.--not bad. Good, in fact, because it's my favorite subject, too, and now we'll never have to leave it. Death is the place where when you go there, they have to let you write about it.

I was on the train this afternoon, one of those new Amtrak quiet cars--no cells, no PalmPilots, no music, soft conversation only, please. Out the window I could see little kids playing in backyard pools, Daddies home for the day. Thick glass separated me from their world. Everything where I was was meditative, internal, reflective. I was a middle-class Egyptian pharaoh being transported to the underworld. If this is death, I thought, it has every reason to be proud. Things were so postmortem that I put down the book I was enjoying very much, Walter Kirn's Up in the Air. It's about a guy who travels so much he loses his self. The book is pervaded with the too-quiet quiet of airplane (and train) air circulation systems, the improbably light food served to passengers. I thought, if I'm living it, why read about it? I just looked out the window and laid words on the passing landscape. Needless to say, I was also near panic. The claustrophobia again. Even death inhibits our giving ourselves to the novel.

So that's my question to you, Kathryn. I'm back to the novel. Who else could wake up every morning and cry over the marginalization of fiction? Your accountant? Of course I'm working on one. And every day it makes me madder. Why am I doing it? Every day, I'm guessing, you, too, go out there and slug it out against the big boys: the tabloids with their wood, TV, even sly little crossover types like me who write feature articles that carry a whiff of character, plot--we're the Barnes & Nobles, with our cute little coffee courts, setting up across the street from your family-run store. We're out for your business. How can you stand us? Why aren't you madder at the world, those millions of ignorant fools who don't even know that you've birthed an eagle, who won't look up to the sky? You've written quite gently to me in this forum, but I remember your expressing some very nasty feelings as you removed a tick from your daughter's hair in a New Yorker article a few years back. Is that what it was about? Are we the tick? Do you want to crush us and feel our blood on your fingertips? Can I come, too?

from: D.T. Max

The Tick in the System

Posted Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 2:32 AM ET
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Kathryn Harrison's most recent book is The Binding Chair. D.T. Max is a frequent contributor to the New York Times Magazine and is at work on a book on prion diseases and the landscape of illness.
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[Notes from the Fray Editor: Richard Riley lives in flyover country and has only ever come across 'Jewess' in the book Ivanhoe. A-Z says Jewish practices are matrilineal, not matriarchal. Sean Fitzgerald doesn't know what the deal would be if the intern was black, and asks for enlightenment. Whither the "Breakfast Table"? Regular readers make their comments in this thread, and have suggestions for future participants.]

First of all, it isn't about the supposedly unique attractiveness of Jewish women. Both Clinton and Condit had relationships with other women who were not Jewish. The attractive quality was not Jewishess, but availability. These guys, especially Clinton, had limited opportunities to meet available women. So how are Jewish interns available to Democratic politicians? Two American cultural traditions play a role:

First, internships go to families connected to campaign contributors, and American Jews are disproportionately represented among large contributors to the Democratic party. No surprise that many Democratic interns come from Jewish families.

Second, there is an American Jewish tradition of supporting adult children through more years of education (including unpaid internships) than is standard in other U.S. cultural communities, even at comparable parental income levels. Some connect it to the yeshiva tradition in Eastern Europe, where supporting a scholar who never holds down a job was a matter of pride for an extended family. Why this tradition stuck over the generations even among the nonreligious is an interesting question. Both Chandra and Monica were still apparently supported by their parents well into their mid-twenties.

Put these factors together, and a high proportion of young democratic DC interns are Jewish. It's not a surprise that some of the women get involved with the bosses.

This pop sociology comes from the inside, as I was young and Jewish in the DC intern world myself once, and later a parentally-supported Jewish law student.

--Arthur Stock

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As I see it this "Breakfast Table" manages to give any Frayster a choice of ticking time bombs to try and disarm (or throw at other Fraysters). First, a discussion of the sexual mores of Jewish women. While I have identified a Jewish conspiracy to take all my money and life-force, the conspiracy appears limited to my wife and children. Moreover, a first person comment on whether I think Jewish women are easy for Presbyterian men, would leave me in a deeply compromised position if my wife read it. So I will boldly leave this issue alone. The raising of the second issue reminds me of a little boy who has forgotten what happens when you hit a hornets nest with a stick. So I will simply confine myself to saying that Republicans are low-life fascists who don't deserve to ever hold office in a free country.

--Neill Hamilton

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It doesn't help anybody to understand these situations by pretending that the women involved were empty little china dolls broken by big, bad men. I don't know what the deal is with Levy and Condit, but anyone who read that turgid Starr report saw that Monica Lewinsky was a participant, not a puppet, in what happened.

There are women who are attracted to power, and there are women who play on the shortcomings of powerful men for their own reasons. To suppose otherwise is to deny them the very three-dimensional existence that women's empowerment is supposed to provide. To suppose otherwise is to do a shocking disservice to the thousands of young women who cycle through Washington, DC, every year, working hard and getting ahead and never once thinking that it would be all right to sleep with a married man who insisted you not bring ID on your "dates."

--Shark

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