Kathryn Harrison and D.T. Max
Is Florida the New California?
By Kathryn Harrison
Posted Tuesday, July 17, 2001, at 2:33 PM ETAll right, Daniel, fess up. You're writing a novel, you lovable fool. And they are too real. Realer than real, the world as it should be--or might be if you don't watch out. Or could be with dollop of poetic justice.
Now, do I understand you to be suggesting that Florida is the new California? They're both the ends of the earth. And people do get eaten by West Coast sharks. (I am speaking literally here.) Having grown up in Los Angeles, conscious of Florida, especially Miami, as the other bookend, our eastern reflection, and having never seen the place until I was in my 30s, I was tooling along some Atlantic Coast highway when I looked out the car window and had a panic attack because I'd thought I'd gotten lost in my own narrative: same ersatz hacienda architecture, same dangerous tans, same palm trees, same sense of being on the edge of something--an ocean!--that could easily be the end of life, i.e., doom, but oddly, disappointingly, isn't. Except for that odd surfer. I suppose I find both California and Florida lacking in gravitas, this being required for any tragic dimension. And yes, I do insist on tragic dimensions, and, obsessed as I am with mortality, I find very little to welcome me in either state. I know, I know: Everyone retires to Florida, but it's not where you go to die, it's where you go to thumb your nose at death. Unless you're Al Gore.
Who might have risen like the proverbial Phoenix, in Arizona, or Indiana, or even Tennessee. Well, maybe not there. MIT and Caltech just released a study that 4 million to 6 million votes (of the 100 million cast) weren't counted last November due to faulty equipment, human error, and various polling place problems.
But I don't want to digress from my favorite topic: death. So let's visit the artificial heart, or the AbioCor device, which has, according to Drs. Gray and Dowling at Louisville, Ky.'s Jewish Hospital, "functioned flawlessly in the 1.5 million times it has beat in the man." The man, anonymous, unquoted (incapable of speech, I believe), is sometimes sitting in a chair, consuming 2,600 calories via a tube, breathing, or being ventilated through another tube, and he has taken tests that have shown he hasn't suffered a stroke or other neurological abnormalities. ... The AbioCor is quieter than the Jarvik-7 and hasn't chewed up as many red blood cells as other artificial hearts. And "to improve the man's comfort," his doctors are considering cutting a hole in his windpipe. I'm sorry, but just reading this makes me want to die. Clearly, the AbioCor device is aggressively alive, even if it isn't trashing the cells it's designed to pump, but I've read nothing about the recipient that encourages me to believe that he's still with us.
Is Florida the New California?
By Kathryn Harrison
Posted Tuesday, July 17, 2001, at 2:33 PM ETReader Comments From The Fray:
[Notes from the Fray Editor: Richard Riley lives in flyover country and has only ever come across 'Jewess' in the book Ivanhoe. A-Z says Jewish practices are matrilineal, not matriarchal. Sean Fitzgerald doesn't know what the deal would be if the intern was black, and asks for enlightenment. Whither the "Breakfast Table"? Regular readers make their comments in this thread, and have suggestions for future participants.]
First of all, it isn't about the supposedly unique attractiveness of Jewish women. Both Clinton and Condit had relationships with other women who were not Jewish. The attractive quality was not Jewishess, but availability. These guys, especially Clinton, had limited opportunities to meet available women. So how are Jewish interns available to Democratic politicians? Two American cultural traditions play a role:
First, internships go to families connected to campaign contributors, and American Jews are disproportionately represented among large contributors to the Democratic party. No surprise that many Democratic interns come from Jewish families.
Second, there is an American Jewish tradition of supporting adult children through more years of education (including unpaid internships) than is standard in other U.S. cultural communities, even at comparable parental income levels. Some connect it to the yeshiva tradition in Eastern Europe, where supporting a scholar who never holds down a job was a matter of pride for an extended family. Why this tradition stuck over the generations even among the nonreligious is an interesting question. Both Chandra and Monica were still apparently supported by their parents well into their mid-twenties.
Put these factors together, and a high proportion of young democratic DC interns are Jewish. It's not a surprise that some of the women get involved with the bosses.
This pop sociology comes from the inside, as I was young and Jewish in the DC intern world myself once, and later a parentally-supported Jewish law student.
--Arthur Stock
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As I see it this "Breakfast Table" manages to give any Frayster a choice of ticking time bombs to try and disarm (or throw at other Fraysters). First, a discussion of the sexual mores of Jewish women. While I have identified a Jewish conspiracy to take all my money and life-force, the conspiracy appears limited to my wife and children. Moreover, a first person comment on whether I think Jewish women are easy for Presbyterian men, would leave me in a deeply compromised position if my wife read it. So I will boldly leave this issue alone. The raising of the second issue reminds me of a little boy who has forgotten what happens when you hit a hornets nest with a stick. So I will simply confine myself to saying that Republicans are low-life fascists who don't deserve to ever hold office in a free country.
--Neill Hamilton
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It doesn't help anybody to understand these situations by pretending that the women involved were empty little china dolls broken by big, bad men. I don't know what the deal is with Levy and Condit, but anyone who read that turgid Starr report saw that Monica Lewinsky was a participant, not a puppet, in what happened.
There are women who are attracted to power, and there are women who play on the shortcomings of powerful men for their own reasons. To suppose otherwise is to deny them the very three-dimensional existence that women's empowerment is supposed to provide. To suppose otherwise is to do a shocking disservice to the thousands of young women who cycle through Washington, DC, every year, working hard and getting ahead and never once thinking that it would be all right to sleep with a married man who insisted you not bring ID on your "dates."
--Shark
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(7/16)
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[Notes from the Fray Editor: Richard Riley lives in flyover country and has only ever come across 'Jewess' in the book Ivanhoe. A-Z says Jewish practices are matrilineal, not matriarchal. Sean Fitzgerald doesn't know what the deal would be if the intern was black, and asks for enlightenment. Whither the "Breakfast Table"? Regular readers make their comments in this thread, and have suggestions for future participants.]
First of all, it isn't about the supposedly unique attractiveness of Jewish women. Both Clinton and Condit had relationships with other women who were not Jewish. The attractive quality was not Jewishess, but availability. These guys, especially Clinton, had limited opportunities to meet available women. So how are Jewish interns available to Democratic politicians? Two American cultural traditions play a role:
First, internships go to families connected to campaign contributors, and American Jews are disproportionately represented among large contributors to the Democratic party. No surprise that many Democratic interns come from Jewish families.
Second, there is an American Jewish tradition of supporting adult children through more years of education (including unpaid internships) than is standard in other U.S. cultural communities, even at comparable parental income levels. Some connect it to the yeshiva tradition in Eastern Europe, where supporting a scholar who never holds down a job was a matter of pride for an extended family. Why this tradition stuck over the generations even among the nonreligious is an interesting question. Both Chandra and Monica were still apparently supported by their parents well into their mid-twenties.
Put these factors together, and a high proportion of young democratic DC interns are Jewish. It's not a surprise that some of the women get involved with the bosses.
This pop sociology comes from the inside, as I was young and Jewish in the DC intern world myself once, and later a parentally-supported Jewish law student.
--Arthur Stock
(To reply, click here.)
As I see it this "Breakfast Table" manages to give any Frayster a choice of ticking time bombs to try and disarm (or throw at other Fraysters). First, a discussion of the sexual mores of Jewish women. While I have identified a Jewish conspiracy to take all my money and life-force, the conspiracy appears limited to my wife and children. Moreover, a first person comment on whether I think Jewish women are easy for Presbyterian men, would leave me in a deeply compromised position if my wife read it. So I will boldly leave this issue alone. The raising of the second issue reminds me of a little boy who has forgotten what happens when you hit a hornets nest with a stick. So I will simply confine myself to saying that Republicans are low-life fascists who don't deserve to ever hold office in a free country.
--Neill Hamilton
(To reply, click here.)
It doesn't help anybody to understand these situations by pretending that the women involved were empty little china dolls broken by big, bad men. I don't know what the deal is with Levy and Condit, but anyone who read that turgid Starr report saw that Monica Lewinsky was a participant, not a puppet, in what happened.
There are women who are attracted to power, and there are women who play on the shortcomings of powerful men for their own reasons. To suppose otherwise is to deny them the very three-dimensional existence that women's empowerment is supposed to provide. To suppose otherwise is to do a shocking disservice to the thousands of young women who cycle through Washington, DC, every year, working hard and getting ahead and never once thinking that it would be all right to sleep with a married man who insisted you not bring ID on your "dates."
--Shark
(To reply, click here.)
(7/16)