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Kathryn Harrison and D.T. Max

from: D.T. Max

Toning the Political Abs

Posted Monday, July 16, 2001, at 5:41 PM ET

I never read Sophie's Choice, though I was in a town in North Carolina called Stingo last week and thought, ah hah!

I find that reading the Times more closely, I now see that the editorial page has given me my take on the Florida absentee ballot count--which is that it was bad but not so bad that it threw the election. But what do I do with this knowledge? There is somewhere a person who keeps all the Gore and Bush quasi-miscount overvotes in his or her mind--foreign, domestic, hanging chad vs. unwitnessed ballots--just as there was someone somewhere who knew what Whitewater was about (indeed they may be the same person), but I am not they. I have read, read, read, read in hardcover and paperback and e-book, and I find myself back where I began. It reminds me of that in-apartment swimming pool that's advertised every week in The New Yorker, where the water comes at you and you swim to keep even. So maybe it firms the political abs.



And who could ask for a better segue--water, Florida--to the real breaking story of this summer week--the kid who lost the arm to the shark at the Gulf Islands National Seashore, only to have it reattached by the blissfully named Dr. Juliet DeCampos. I find now that no sooner was that little nipper nipped, than just up the intracostal (love that word, especially as Floridians say it, "intercoastal)" in Pensacola (Floridians, no e-mails please) a surfer dude gets bitten by a shark. A nice bit of AP writing with a comma splice follows, as reproduced in the Times: "He said he had noticed small fish and a large shadow below him before the attack, but had not thought anything was wrong." Now, I was a scuba diver of very modest note before claustrophobia took me out of the water and onto the laptop, and I can say that if I saw a large shadow below me, I didn't assume everything was hunky-dory. I thought: shark! Or maybe, since it was Florida: ValueJet! I cannot tell you what pleasure stories like this give me.

Kathryn, as a novelist, how do you feel about the news, given last week in the Times' culture pages, that if Isaac Babel left a manuscript, it is almost certainly a masterpiece? Have you read him?

from: D.T. Max

Toning the Political Abs

Posted Monday, July 16, 2001, at 5:41 PM ET
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Kathryn Harrison's most recent book is The Binding Chair. D.T. Max is a frequent contributor to the New York Times Magazine and is at work on a book on prion diseases and the landscape of illness.
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[Notes from the Fray Editor: Richard Riley lives in flyover country and has only ever come across 'Jewess' in the book Ivanhoe. A-Z says Jewish practices are matrilineal, not matriarchal. Sean Fitzgerald doesn't know what the deal would be if the intern was black, and asks for enlightenment. Whither the "Breakfast Table"? Regular readers make their comments in this thread, and have suggestions for future participants.]

First of all, it isn't about the supposedly unique attractiveness of Jewish women. Both Clinton and Condit had relationships with other women who were not Jewish. The attractive quality was not Jewishess, but availability. These guys, especially Clinton, had limited opportunities to meet available women. So how are Jewish interns available to Democratic politicians? Two American cultural traditions play a role:

First, internships go to families connected to campaign contributors, and American Jews are disproportionately represented among large contributors to the Democratic party. No surprise that many Democratic interns come from Jewish families.

Second, there is an American Jewish tradition of supporting adult children through more years of education (including unpaid internships) than is standard in other U.S. cultural communities, even at comparable parental income levels. Some connect it to the yeshiva tradition in Eastern Europe, where supporting a scholar who never holds down a job was a matter of pride for an extended family. Why this tradition stuck over the generations even among the nonreligious is an interesting question. Both Chandra and Monica were still apparently supported by their parents well into their mid-twenties.

Put these factors together, and a high proportion of young democratic DC interns are Jewish. It's not a surprise that some of the women get involved with the bosses.

This pop sociology comes from the inside, as I was young and Jewish in the DC intern world myself once, and later a parentally-supported Jewish law student.

--Arthur Stock

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As I see it this "Breakfast Table" manages to give any Frayster a choice of ticking time bombs to try and disarm (or throw at other Fraysters). First, a discussion of the sexual mores of Jewish women. While I have identified a Jewish conspiracy to take all my money and life-force, the conspiracy appears limited to my wife and children. Moreover, a first person comment on whether I think Jewish women are easy for Presbyterian men, would leave me in a deeply compromised position if my wife read it. So I will boldly leave this issue alone. The raising of the second issue reminds me of a little boy who has forgotten what happens when you hit a hornets nest with a stick. So I will simply confine myself to saying that Republicans are low-life fascists who don't deserve to ever hold office in a free country.

--Neill Hamilton

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It doesn't help anybody to understand these situations by pretending that the women involved were empty little china dolls broken by big, bad men. I don't know what the deal is with Levy and Condit, but anyone who read that turgid Starr report saw that Monica Lewinsky was a participant, not a puppet, in what happened.

There are women who are attracted to power, and there are women who play on the shortcomings of powerful men for their own reasons. To suppose otherwise is to deny them the very three-dimensional existence that women's empowerment is supposed to provide. To suppose otherwise is to do a shocking disservice to the thousands of young women who cycle through Washington, DC, every year, working hard and getting ahead and never once thinking that it would be all right to sleep with a married man who insisted you not bring ID on your "dates."

--Shark

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