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Andy Dehnart, Wesley Morris, and Alex Pappademas
No Right or Wrong Criticism
Posted Thursday, April 26, 2001, at 6:50 PM ETWesley and Alex, or Alex and Wesley,
The warning labels plastered on the MTV ads are killer examples of sign terrorism, Alex, sort of like the BlowTheDotOutYourAss.com ones before them. My last word here on the MTV ads: When I left work on Monday, the first bus I saw had the ad on it. And this morning, a friend I'll call "Sam" gave me a stack of those free GoCard postcards/advertisements with the MTV ads printed on them. I'm going to cover one of my walls with them and never forget.
I'm down with a black, gay, Asian, or all three, Bond, just as long as it doesn't devolve into a parade of stereotypes. Although, who is James Bond if he's not a series of stereotypes, each more ridiculous than the previous? So I guess that would be OK. Just as long as there are lots of explosions and outrageously lewd but completely PG sexual comments.
And, although I know it's heresy to say this, and it will open me up to a round of criticism that I lack some kind of crucial perspective and ability to comprehend capital-A Art, I really liked Gus Van Sant's Psycho. So variations on it would make for an experiment I'd want to see--mostly because I like artists who play with form. Hence the reason I'm a fan of Bret Easton Ellis, even though many in the literary community cast him aside faster than they would a book that had burst into flame.
To wrap up my end of our on-again, off-again conversation about critics, I think my position is that there is no right or wrong criticism. (There's crappy writing, but that's a different story.) I know that seems like a copout, and maybe it is. But critical preferences are so highly individual, why judge? As long as they're well-written, coherent, and provide perspective, I'd just as soon read the raw, undistilled impressions of a 12-year-old who has just seen his or her first movie than I would a critic who's seen every movie since sound was added. Both are just as valid and offer equally valuable perspectives.
We should probably be thankful we didn't get around to the Eggers conversation, or else some of the people in "The Fray" would have had even more bricks to lob at our obviously empty skulls. Being challenged by them and by both of you has been great, though, and I've really enjoyed this interaction.
Tomorrow when I sit at my breakfast table, which is really just an institutional coffee table that I rescued from the dumpster at the end of my senior year and cleaned up to make it look like it came from Ikea, it'll definitely be weird. I'll still flip on Katie and Matt and Ann the moment I wake up and read the papers with the same skepticism, but I'll be disappointed that I won't have to digest things in this challenging, intellectually stimulating pseudo-private exchange. It's been cool.
Later,
Andy
No Right or Wrong Criticism
Posted Thursday, April 26, 2001, at 6:50 PM ETReader Comments From The Fray:
[Notes from the Fray Editor: President Bush on drilling, MTV and the youth market: same situation? Talk to WillV here. Thread your way through all the posts saying yes they do have the ads in Chicago (we know now, OK?) and find some posted lists: Zeitguy's Rools of Cool, Paul Caniff's answers to questions, and Gypsy's theory on disco. Jared White suggests Eggertian rather than Eggersesque. Check out the checkmarks for discussions on criticism and music. For more good stuff on film reviews read in full the fascinating posts from Steve Sailer and Aluminum Man (below). Done all that? Congratulations, you are now a complete popular culture Instant Expert. (Or a Breakfast Table Fray expert--same thing.)]
At the risk of sounding churlish--or rather, gleefully trying to sound churlish--the comment of your "Breakfast Table" writer about the Bush administration--"Essentially, they're politically motivated cowards" [Monday's entry]--demonstrates an acute lack of insight into, well, one of the great features of civilization. Politically motivated bravery is usually a suspect virtue--it led Napoleon into Russia, Hoover into a principled stand against "hand-outs," and Tom DeLay into being Tom DeLay. The real problem is that the Bushies face no bullying from the other side of the aisle: nobody who is willing to demagogue them, dog them, and dice them into the neutered conservatism which was Jr.'s daddy's trademark. In the weird mores of Washington, the dogger/dicer really doesn't have to have a national constituency--just a nasty taste for institutional infighting. If only Wellstone had Gingrich's taste for lowmindedness.
--Roger
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Having recently become the film critic for United Press International, I've been thinking a lot about these issues. The biggest problem with movie reviews in general is that reviewers are so homogenous--almost always male, white, upper middle class, with a grad degree in humanities or liberal arts, urban, high IQ, intellectual but not hugely logical or well-informed about things beyond the cultural realm like business or science or sociology, and extremely opinionated--that the tastes of huge demographic groups get ignored. I fall in most of those categories, too, but coming at a rather late age to this trade, I just don't as often experience anymore the testosterone surge that makes me want to shove my opinion down the throats of people who aren't like me.
For example, women. Over the years I've noticed that women generally don't like the same movies I like. That used to offend me greatly. I figured I could cure women of their bad taste in movies by exposing them to the really good stuff (i.e., what I liked) and explaining to them--over and over again--why it's better than the crap they liked. Slowly, though, I grew to respect women and their tastes more. I also learned that lots of other people aren't as smart as me and that making them watch what I liked to watch wasn't going to make them enjoy it more. Now, I take steps to help put myself in other peoples' shoes...
--Steve Sailer
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Most Tom Green fans (and I'm not one of them) will have already decided to see Freddy Got Fingered a long time ago, and nothing that reviews have said (or will say) makes any difference. The same is true of the upcoming Lord of the Rings trilogy or the last installments of the increasingly awful Star Wars series. In fact, contrary to what the Breakfast Tablers are suggesting, I think most people have their minds made up about whether or not to see any given movie long before reviews hits the stands.
What informed, thoughtful, articulate critics can do is make us see, hear and understand things in movies that we otherwise might miss. They can challenge us by forcing us to examine elements that we might otherwise pass over, and make us look at a movie from a perspective perhaps unlike our own.
--Aluminum Man
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