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Andy Dehnart, Wesley Morris, and Alex Pappademas
Our Entertaining Onanism
Posted Tuesday, April 24, 2001, at 8:27 PM ETWhat is happening here, boys?
Alex, you've put me in a mega funk. I feel like this entire project is starting to feel a lot like that moment in Real World: Seattle when Irene blurted out that cameras were making her crazy, not her lyme disease. We're beginning to make this a reflexive exercise that is actually beginning to make my soul cough. To some extent, this is closed loop.
But I firmly believe that the loop can swell into some kind of critical merry-go-round where people can watch all the pretty horses bob up and down--hopping from trick pony to trick pony. That's what the Voice's "Pazz and Jop" music review and their annual "Take Two" film critics' poll are: amusement parks for art nerds and people who want to froth and rage. There's a reason those features are found in alt-weeklies and not in the paper I write for. The jab made against crits who never see the world is a ludicrous complaint. That's like dancing about architecture. If those reclusive pop junkies who'd been hermetically holed in their bedrooms suddenly started living in the world with the mailmen and the bank tellers and the bus drivers, you get McSweeney's. (And Timothy McSweeney's visceral fear of human contact.)
The alternative voice is always talking about the mainstream (even parenthetically). You can still count on People's Picks and Pans and the drive-by reviews in your local daily. But Film Comment is now bootie-bumping with Entertainment Weekly. They've been known to share to cover girls--Gillian Anderson's Scully on EW, her Lilly Bart on FC. I think that their taking really interesting cues from each other, if not taking each other's writers. I'd like to direct your attention to EW's Lisa Schwarzbaum's gorgeous ballad of Jane Fonda in the March/April Film Comment.
It's weird critical synergy. But it's fun. And every time I start having the what-the fuck-are-we-doing moment (found on page 122 in the critics' crisis handbook), I remember that as much as I can be goaded into thinking that what we do is onanistic, thousands of people like to watch.
Let's get happy tomorrow.
Wesley
Our Entertaining Onanism
Posted Tuesday, April 24, 2001, at 8:27 PM ETReader Comments From The Fray:
[Notes from the Fray Editor: President Bush on drilling, MTV and the youth market: same situation? Talk to WillV here. Thread your way through all the posts saying yes they do have the ads in Chicago (we know now, OK?) and find some posted lists: Zeitguy's Rools of Cool, Paul Caniff's answers to questions, and Gypsy's theory on disco. Jared White suggests Eggertian rather than Eggersesque. Check out the checkmarks for discussions on criticism and music. For more good stuff on film reviews read in full the fascinating posts from Steve Sailer and Aluminum Man (below). Done all that? Congratulations, you are now a complete popular culture Instant Expert. (Or a Breakfast Table Fray expert--same thing.)]
At the risk of sounding churlish--or rather, gleefully trying to sound churlish--the comment of your "Breakfast Table" writer about the Bush administration--"Essentially, they're politically motivated cowards" [Monday's entry]--demonstrates an acute lack of insight into, well, one of the great features of civilization. Politically motivated bravery is usually a suspect virtue--it led Napoleon into Russia, Hoover into a principled stand against "hand-outs," and Tom DeLay into being Tom DeLay. The real problem is that the Bushies face no bullying from the other side of the aisle: nobody who is willing to demagogue them, dog them, and dice them into the neutered conservatism which was Jr.'s daddy's trademark. In the weird mores of Washington, the dogger/dicer really doesn't have to have a national constituency--just a nasty taste for institutional infighting. If only Wellstone had Gingrich's taste for lowmindedness.
--Roger
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Having recently become the film critic for United Press International, I've been thinking a lot about these issues. The biggest problem with movie reviews in general is that reviewers are so homogenous--almost always male, white, upper middle class, with a grad degree in humanities or liberal arts, urban, high IQ, intellectual but not hugely logical or well-informed about things beyond the cultural realm like business or science or sociology, and extremely opinionated--that the tastes of huge demographic groups get ignored. I fall in most of those categories, too, but coming at a rather late age to this trade, I just don't as often experience anymore the testosterone surge that makes me want to shove my opinion down the throats of people who aren't like me.
For example, women. Over the years I've noticed that women generally don't like the same movies I like. That used to offend me greatly. I figured I could cure women of their bad taste in movies by exposing them to the really good stuff (i.e., what I liked) and explaining to them--over and over again--why it's better than the crap they liked. Slowly, though, I grew to respect women and their tastes more. I also learned that lots of other people aren't as smart as me and that making them watch what I liked to watch wasn't going to make them enjoy it more. Now, I take steps to help put myself in other peoples' shoes...
--Steve Sailer
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Most Tom Green fans (and I'm not one of them) will have already decided to see Freddy Got Fingered a long time ago, and nothing that reviews have said (or will say) makes any difference. The same is true of the upcoming Lord of the Rings trilogy or the last installments of the increasingly awful Star Wars series. In fact, contrary to what the Breakfast Tablers are suggesting, I think most people have their minds made up about whether or not to see any given movie long before reviews hits the stands.
What informed, thoughtful, articulate critics can do is make us see, hear and understand things in movies that we otherwise might miss. They can challenge us by forcing us to examine elements that we might otherwise pass over, and make us look at a movie from a perspective perhaps unlike our own.
--Aluminum Man
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