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Andy Dehnart, Wesley Morris, and Alex Pappademas
"What does your favorite film critic say about you?"
Posted Tuesday, April 24, 2001, at 2:14 PM ETReeeerrrr!
"Breakfast Table" Meow Mix! But Andy, while I'm prepared to join the media equivalent of the Secret Service to protect Katie Couric from ill opinion-making, I'm worried for you. It sounds almost as if you're ready to embark on a one-man crusade to clean up lousy writing. Does man make a mop that big? You're better off trying to cure cancer or stop Monica from marrying Chandler. While not being entirely curative, I think bitch-slapping the media is pretty effective. The center cannot hold, and it's making you crazy. I think watching and filtering every reality show through your wily media-logged prism should be enough. You're only man, my friend.
What of Alex's beef with critical lameness and the attendant resentment of applying an intellectual approach? I'm delighted that you still think rock writing is the last bastion of anti-intellectual player-hate. We've been having this discussion for a while, and for a split-second you had me convinced that it was simply a case of the grass being greener. But I think film writing is always under siege by the "it's only a movie" crowd, a segment of the population that eats its popcorn too loudly and sends hate mail too hastily to be relegated to peanut-gallery status. Still, I don't wanna play "who's more oppressed" here.
I got a letter from someone in San Francisco, complaining that they didn't like what I had to say about Freddy Got Fingered. (After the edit, I wasn't all that psyched either.) But this guy's gripe was that I spent too much time explaining Tom Green and his relevance when all he wanted to know was whether he should see the movie. To which I say, try USA Today or trust the blurbs, if you dare. I dig the process of coming to the conclusion that something like Freddy is bad; my writing is about the arrival to that conclusion. In Green's case, the movie's badness is its point. And I'd rather risk overthinking a film, especially one as seemingly trivial but too insidious to be ignored as this one, than play the unengaged hack who calls the movie drivel and makes a lot of "falling asleep" jokes.
If I get the movie, it's incumbent upon me to explain what it is I've got. I can only hope that my assessment will enlighten someone else's experience should they chose to go, too. If that's wrong, I don't wanna be right. By the way, Tony Scott and Jessica Winter both have written extremely informed, but sorta different Freddy pieces.
Alex, I think your beef is a wonderful one to have. I love that Nick Hornby irks you so, but I'd rather have him being underengaged, laconic even, as opposed to being a blurb whore whose movie reviews have conditioned the culture to hate critics who take what they do seriously. I think the David Denby-Anthony Lane divide is a neat barometer. What does your favorite film critic say about you?
Wesley
"What does your favorite film critic say about you?"
Posted Tuesday, April 24, 2001, at 2:14 PM ETReader Comments From The Fray:
[Notes from the Fray Editor: President Bush on drilling, MTV and the youth market: same situation? Talk to WillV here. Thread your way through all the posts saying yes they do have the ads in Chicago (we know now, OK?) and find some posted lists: Zeitguy's Rools of Cool, Paul Caniff's answers to questions, and Gypsy's theory on disco. Jared White suggests Eggertian rather than Eggersesque. Check out the checkmarks for discussions on criticism and music. For more good stuff on film reviews read in full the fascinating posts from Steve Sailer and Aluminum Man (below). Done all that? Congratulations, you are now a complete popular culture Instant Expert. (Or a Breakfast Table Fray expert--same thing.)]
At the risk of sounding churlish--or rather, gleefully trying to sound churlish--the comment of your "Breakfast Table" writer about the Bush administration--"Essentially, they're politically motivated cowards" [Monday's entry]--demonstrates an acute lack of insight into, well, one of the great features of civilization. Politically motivated bravery is usually a suspect virtue--it led Napoleon into Russia, Hoover into a principled stand against "hand-outs," and Tom DeLay into being Tom DeLay. The real problem is that the Bushies face no bullying from the other side of the aisle: nobody who is willing to demagogue them, dog them, and dice them into the neutered conservatism which was Jr.'s daddy's trademark. In the weird mores of Washington, the dogger/dicer really doesn't have to have a national constituency--just a nasty taste for institutional infighting. If only Wellstone had Gingrich's taste for lowmindedness.
--Roger
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Having recently become the film critic for United Press International, I've been thinking a lot about these issues. The biggest problem with movie reviews in general is that reviewers are so homogenous--almost always male, white, upper middle class, with a grad degree in humanities or liberal arts, urban, high IQ, intellectual but not hugely logical or well-informed about things beyond the cultural realm like business or science or sociology, and extremely opinionated--that the tastes of huge demographic groups get ignored. I fall in most of those categories, too, but coming at a rather late age to this trade, I just don't as often experience anymore the testosterone surge that makes me want to shove my opinion down the throats of people who aren't like me.
For example, women. Over the years I've noticed that women generally don't like the same movies I like. That used to offend me greatly. I figured I could cure women of their bad taste in movies by exposing them to the really good stuff (i.e., what I liked) and explaining to them--over and over again--why it's better than the crap they liked. Slowly, though, I grew to respect women and their tastes more. I also learned that lots of other people aren't as smart as me and that making them watch what I liked to watch wasn't going to make them enjoy it more. Now, I take steps to help put myself in other peoples' shoes...
--Steve Sailer
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Most Tom Green fans (and I'm not one of them) will have already decided to see Freddy Got Fingered a long time ago, and nothing that reviews have said (or will say) makes any difference. The same is true of the upcoming Lord of the Rings trilogy or the last installments of the increasingly awful Star Wars series. In fact, contrary to what the Breakfast Tablers are suggesting, I think most people have their minds made up about whether or not to see any given movie long before reviews hits the stands.
What informed, thoughtful, articulate critics can do is make us see, hear and understand things in movies that we otherwise might miss. They can challenge us by forcing us to examine elements that we might otherwise pass over, and make us look at a movie from a perspective perhaps unlike our own.
--Aluminum Man
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