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Andy Dehnart, Wesley Morris, and Alex Pappademas
Student Papers, Ads, and Freedom of Speech
Posted Monday, April 23, 2001, at 4:58 PM ETSo about 45 seconds after my last message was posted, people started to tell me--via e-mail, in person, in "The Fray"--that the MTV ads are all over Chicago. Mea culpa. Although I take the bus in the mornings and walk home from work past all the buses, and occasionally take the El, they've managed to completely elude me.
I'd like to say that this is because I'm tuning out invasive, brain-sucking corporate messages (even from MTV, which you're right, Wesley, is relevant despite its detractors' constant, tired condemnation), but that's far from true. That is true online, though, which is the subject of part of the Wall Street Journal's e-commerce section today. Not much new there, but it's a pretty comprehensive look at the bizarre ("click on this uninteresting inch-tall ugly picture and save our company!") world of online advertising.
One ad I'm pretty sure a lot of people would like to tune out is David Horowitz's slavery reparations ad. I read this morning that the University of Connecticut's Daily Campus is the latest to get hit with controversy: 60 people protested the paper's decision to run the ad, saying their student fees should no longer go to the paper.
When I edited the weekly paper at Stetson University two years ago, we printed a horrifically racist and anti-Semitic letter. We didn't agree with the contents of the letter, of course, but we published it in the interest of free speech, hoping to stimulate debate on our chalk-white campus. There was definitely debate as a result, but it was about what the hell the newspaper staff was doing, not about racism or the related issues. In retrospect, I can totally see why the people of color on our campus were hurt and offended, and after a series of events too complicated to describe here, we apologized.
But at the same time, what that--and this whole David Horowitz fiasco/media frenzy--illustrated was that most people have a very limited idea about how journalism--collegiate and otherwise--should/could/does work. The idea that the newspaper should be editorially independent is lost on many people, including these latest protesters. The biggest conflict with student papers arises when the paper is part of the university--like at Stetson and UConn--and is not independent. Fees paid by students at least partially fund the paper, and there's a complex relationship with the university acting essentially as publisher. And so students, being consumers of the commodity now known as higher education, expect the newspaper to reflect only what they want to see, which is an unrealistic expectation if student media is to be media at all.
But maybe we should just be grateful that the students are doing something, anything, rather than sitting on their apathetic asses and waiting to collect their ticket to a corner office and a 401(k).
Andy
Student Papers, Ads, and Freedom of Speech
Posted Monday, April 23, 2001, at 4:58 PM ETReader Comments From The Fray:
[Notes from the Fray Editor: President Bush on drilling, MTV and the youth market: same situation? Talk to WillV here. Thread your way through all the posts saying yes they do have the ads in Chicago (we know now, OK?) and find some posted lists: Zeitguy's Rools of Cool, Paul Caniff's answers to questions, and Gypsy's theory on disco. Jared White suggests Eggertian rather than Eggersesque. Check out the checkmarks for discussions on criticism and music. For more good stuff on film reviews read in full the fascinating posts from Steve Sailer and Aluminum Man (below). Done all that? Congratulations, you are now a complete popular culture Instant Expert. (Or a Breakfast Table Fray expert--same thing.)]
At the risk of sounding churlish--or rather, gleefully trying to sound churlish--the comment of your "Breakfast Table" writer about the Bush administration--"Essentially, they're politically motivated cowards" [Monday's entry]--demonstrates an acute lack of insight into, well, one of the great features of civilization. Politically motivated bravery is usually a suspect virtue--it led Napoleon into Russia, Hoover into a principled stand against "hand-outs," and Tom DeLay into being Tom DeLay. The real problem is that the Bushies face no bullying from the other side of the aisle: nobody who is willing to demagogue them, dog them, and dice them into the neutered conservatism which was Jr.'s daddy's trademark. In the weird mores of Washington, the dogger/dicer really doesn't have to have a national constituency--just a nasty taste for institutional infighting. If only Wellstone had Gingrich's taste for lowmindedness.
--Roger
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Having recently become the film critic for United Press International, I've been thinking a lot about these issues. The biggest problem with movie reviews in general is that reviewers are so homogenous--almost always male, white, upper middle class, with a grad degree in humanities or liberal arts, urban, high IQ, intellectual but not hugely logical or well-informed about things beyond the cultural realm like business or science or sociology, and extremely opinionated--that the tastes of huge demographic groups get ignored. I fall in most of those categories, too, but coming at a rather late age to this trade, I just don't as often experience anymore the testosterone surge that makes me want to shove my opinion down the throats of people who aren't like me.
For example, women. Over the years I've noticed that women generally don't like the same movies I like. That used to offend me greatly. I figured I could cure women of their bad taste in movies by exposing them to the really good stuff (i.e., what I liked) and explaining to them--over and over again--why it's better than the crap they liked. Slowly, though, I grew to respect women and their tastes more. I also learned that lots of other people aren't as smart as me and that making them watch what I liked to watch wasn't going to make them enjoy it more. Now, I take steps to help put myself in other peoples' shoes...
--Steve Sailer
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Most Tom Green fans (and I'm not one of them) will have already decided to see Freddy Got Fingered a long time ago, and nothing that reviews have said (or will say) makes any difference. The same is true of the upcoming Lord of the Rings trilogy or the last installments of the increasingly awful Star Wars series. In fact, contrary to what the Breakfast Tablers are suggesting, I think most people have their minds made up about whether or not to see any given movie long before reviews hits the stands.
What informed, thoughtful, articulate critics can do is make us see, hear and understand things in movies that we otherwise might miss. They can challenge us by forcing us to examine elements that we might otherwise pass over, and make us look at a movie from a perspective perhaps unlike our own.
--Aluminum Man
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