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Martha Hirschfield and Hanna Rosin

from: Martha Hirschfield

Lessons From a Mommy Group

Posted Thursday, Jan. 11, 2001, at 3:49 PM ET

Hi Hanna,

I think I can put the pieces together. This USPS/FedEx deal is a last gasp maneuver by the Clinton administration to preserve postal unity and stave off a Republican-driven devolution of postal power to the states. The incoming administration must hope that with 50 separate strife-torn postal systems, the nation's information infrastructure will come tumbling down, and the functions of "big government" will grind to a halt. Kind of like the Reagan-era deficits--spend us into a hole on defense now so that Democrats can't spend anything on social programs later. In truth, FedEx is the hero here. It's all that stands between us and a literal reading of the 10th Amendment. I haven't figured out the incest angle yet, but I'm sure it's there.



Actually, that world of postal chaos wouldn't be too far off from a world in which people take cell phone calls at funerals. I've read that other cultures are more accepting of cell phones because their land-line infrastructure is so lousy and living conditions are generally more crowded. If the only kind of phone service that is truly widespread is mobile, and if no one has their own bedroom, there is going to be much greater tolerance of public conversations. Part of the reason that home ownership is the American dream is because people don't want to hear their upstairs neighbors.

As promised, a few words about my mommy group. The women I saw today are actually one of two groups that I see periodically. Six women, all with boys, all but one of whom were born within 10 days of one another. The group has been meeting practically weekly since the babies were five weeks old, but my attendance has been sporadic.

Initially I had my doubts about the usefulness of this sort of thing. I'm not much of a group-type person, and I had no idea what the benefit would be. But if, like me, you never paid much attention to babies, it can be very educational just to get in a room with a bunch of other moms and babies and see what the other babies look like, what they do, and so forth. The stereotype is that these play groups are highly competitive, with everyone checking out each other's kids. There is a little of that, but it's basically benign. Usually I come away thinking, "Hmm, well, my kid can do this, but her kid can do that." So those of us whose kids can do task A provide advice to those whose kids can't and vice versa. And it all evens out. If one kid is a good sleeper, another kid can roll over. No one's feelings are hurt.

We don't veer into confession all that much. Once there was a little bit of talk about postpartum sex. Today, the one woman who had to quit breast-feeding early on account of an infection mused about trying to get her milk back. The latest preoccupation is about child care and the return to work (no surprises there). A lot of the time, it's about logistics. Today I asked how exactly it is that one double-pumps. And this is the group that gave me the definitive answer on how to protect myself from getting peed on during a diaper change (not a problem for you, but for moms of boys it's a big issue). These are things that only the parents of babies care about. It's nice to be able to talk about them with someone who won't berate you for not having a life.

Tell me all about those pandas.

XOX,
M

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from: Martha Hirschfield

Lessons From a Mommy Group

Posted Thursday, Jan. 11, 2001, at 3:49 PM ET
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Martha Hirschfield is an attorney, a new mom, and is married to Slate's William Saletan. Hanna Rosin is a Washington Post reporter on maternity leave and is married to Slate's David Plotz, who is Martha Hirschfield's cousin once removed.
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[Notes from the Fray Editor: A lot of messages about birth control, and about penguins. Great discussion on childcare followed on from Paul Decker's post, below. Some readers--how can we put this?--weren't fully in sympathy with the Breakfast Table's new mothers: others were.]

I quote: "Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: But what if Noa want to be a zoologist, specializing in penguins?" I suppose we need to cut new mommies some slack, but there aren't any penguins at all in the Arctic. How many hundreds of emails came in with this point? Sigh. Unfortunate, but there it is, the medium makes criticism so much easier. If this were print in the pre-internet era, then you might get two letters pointing out that penguins live down below in the Antarctic and are primarily food for leopard seals and so forth. But now, with Dear Editor only a click-on-reply away, the possibility of gazillions of outraged penguinphiles writing to you at once and crashing your server can't be called a mere possibility, but rather a stone cold certainty, and cold stones naturally brings me back to the odd fascination penguins have with pebbles, which they stack in little heaps. Nearly 15 years ago, when the oldest of the offspring was a newly gooing bundle and I was the only dad in the park with a stroller, I decided to do something once a day in the company of grownups, so as not to go berserk. I wound up taking Intro Chinese. The rest is rock and roll history, and here I am in Beijing, with three and a half years already spent here in a couple of big chunks, and all four sons fluent in Mandarin Chinese-- two in fact taking end of term Chinese tests as I write-- and all because when Martin was born, there was no internet, there was no Breakfast Table, there was no email inbox, there was no Instant Messenger. Congratulations on the birth of your wee one. Says I, father and primary child care provider for nearly a decade and a half, there is nothing better. Nothing comes close.

--Mike Connelly

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A pacifier is not pure distraction. It has mystical properties. I believe the sucking actually produces changes in the child's neurochemistry. The problem is how to get the damn things away from them. My 2 and three-quarter month old daughter worships her pacifiers--she literally builds shrines to her pacifiers. Help!

--David Edelstein

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Pacifier elimination is the first cold turkey parenting situation. Later will come unlimited cable TV and internet privileges. Depending on how phone services are billed in your locality, phone call privileges may go the way of the pacifiers for some period of time so that school work can get done on time. If you are lucky to not have free local calling, you can just make them pay for the itemized charges which usually makes them stop calling their friends all night long.

The cute thing about teenagers is that they whine the same way they did as two year olds when you took away the pacifiers.

--Tom R.

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New mother Hanna has not spent enough time reading trashy women's novels. They often make reference to abortifacients, usually after the heroine gives it up to the hero in some ill-advised fashion, gets pregnant, and tries to keep it a secret. Fun things like wacky combinations of herbs. Even better, the birth control measures! Sponges soaked with vinegar!

As far as the Pill being an abortifacient as well as a preventive measure: it does prevent ovulation, as Momma Hirshfeld points out. However, it provides a backup plan as well. If you do ovulate anyway, the fertilized egg cannot implant into the uterine wall. So, technically, a potentially viable pregnancy is ended. The key word is technically - certain people, such as Ashcroft, will make any argument rather than accept that people should have control over their own bodies. Why do certain Republicans think the government should no power over our monetary decisions, but should have total control over our biological ones?

--Laura

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Apparently Martha was able to find a place in a decent child care center because of her affiliation with a federal agency. But what of the vast number of other families without access to such resources? Preschool child care is a state issue (except in the federal District of Columbia), but as far as I know, no state is doing anything to support it. Yet, there has been no organized movement to do anything to change this, either by getting state support for private preschools or by any other means (though there are plenty of efforts to get state support for private schools, and they aren't all religious).

I have thought from time to time that raising child care work from its current low-paid ghettoization in the dot-com economy would be a unifying cause that liberals, moderates, and even some conservatives would embrace. It hasn't happened yet, but I haven't given up hope.

--Paul Decker

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