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from: Erroll McDonald

When to Drop Names

Posted Tuesday, Sept. 5, 2000, at 6:03 PM ET

I was savvy enough not to identify myself. In a public forum such as this, I always leave the ID to the powers that be. My mentor Jason Epstein once told me that an editor should be a valet to his writers. So as for the dropping of names (oops! a rare moment of discretion), that should be reserved for all too frequent instances of getting over.

Now back to the Donald and off-reservation gambling sites: My point was not necessarily racial; the line about "parting white fools from their money" referred to the absurd demand for money by some so-called "minority" members as payment for the sufferings endured by their anonymous ancestors. (I myself have wondered: To which African dictator should I appeal for reparations, some of his countrymen no doubt descendants of Africans who collaborated in the slave trade!) The special casino dispensation to Native Americans is a condescending form of reparation. Of course, fools of any stripe who believe they can beat nearly impossible odds (including numbers-playing black people) deserve what they get. (I just learned something last week: Although gambling is illegal in Israel, some grimly determined Israelis will not be deterred. At sunset in Eilat, they board a cruise ship, go out into Egyptian waters to party hard and gamble the night away, only to return fired up, out of it and poorer, but happy at dawn!)



By the way, you promised to get back to Dubya and the presidential debates but didn't. As to what I'm reading, I be deep into the National Enquirer and the New York Review of Books. Talk to you tomorrow.

from: Erroll McDonald

When to Drop Names

Posted Tuesday, Sept. 5, 2000, at 6:03 PM ET
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Debra Dickerson is a senior fellow at the New America Foundation and a columnist for Beliefnet.com. Her memoir, An American Story, will be published this month (click here to buy it). Erroll McDonald is an editor at Pantheon Books.
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Indian gaming may seem like a form of reparations in our tort-minded culture, but this is a false analogy. Indians are permitted to operate casinos because they have sovereignty over their reservations by treaties signed in the preceding centuries. When the federal courts ruled that states could not bar tribes from running casinos, states negotiated agreements with them regulating their operation (restricting alcohol, for example). Indian gaming, fishing rights, and sales tax exemptions are not gifts of guilty white liberals. They are an acknowledgement of legal obligations from another era.

--Andrew W.Cohen

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I believe the best reparations would be putting forth the effort to treat Black Americans and Indians with the respect and equality human beings deserve. What good would money and property do, when white folks can still treat Black Americans and Indians as less than human, therefore less than equal? What would I, a Black American, rather have: 40 acres and a mule, or to be treated and given as much respect and equality is my white brother and sisters? Forget the money and the property, give me my equality and my respect. That is the best reparation any oppressed people can ask for.

--philiagoddess

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The purpose of reparations is justice. The purpose of group reparations (vs. individual) is approximate justice. So it is necessary to decide how approximate we wish our justice to be. I believe that reparations for the dead (eg slaves) paid to their remote descendants is too crude. However, after slavery there was still a long-term injustice towards blacks: Jim Crow. This depressed the wages of Afro-Americans. Some of these victims are still alive. Since they would be mostly retired now, I suggest compensation through the Social Security system. This could be done in many ways, for example by adjusting the probability distribution of wages of blacks to mirror that of whites (on a year-by-year basis, up to some cutoff date), and then using that adjustment to adjust individual wage histories, and so finally increase Social Security payments.

--Bob Cox

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We do owe the black people. The whole country does, because we took their share of work for building this country up, for free, and on top we dragged them through the hell of slavery, and broken families, and constant humiliation. And even now 140 years after the Civil War, the prejudice continues. If we inherited all the good stuff from our predecessors in this country, we also inherited their debts. And the debt to the black people still needs to be paid.

--Amyntas

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Several questions:
1)If we're starting with home-grown folks, should we be planning to collect reparations from black slave owners' descendants?
2) Would you prefer African-Americans have quasi-sovereign nations to live on like Native Americans tribes, and thus be immune (to a large extent) from the state and federal government?
3) Did Bill Clinton oppose the war before or after he signed up for ROTC, and then dropped out once he realized he might get drafted?
4) Was Gore struggling along as a pauper while Bush was living high with his family's money?

--MRB

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Notes from the Fray Editor: Debra Dickerson does a splendid job of explaining The Fray. (In fact, our job--thanks Debra.) This is the post she mentions about the National Review. Views on reparations can be found all over The Fray, and we picked out some of what we hope she will think the more intelligent and thoughtful ones, above. And WillV liked Ms Dickerson's description of the shooting--Tuesday-- so much he thought she should be be hired by Slate to write a cops and crime column.






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