User: HST-libertarian
Recent Posts

• Re: Politifacts Lie Of the Year ! And...... the winner is....

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 19, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: Politifacts Lie Of the Year ! And...... the winner is....     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 19, 2009

• Re: Question:

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 0
  Topic: So when Washington DC gets buried under 20"...     
  Last response by kurl on December 18, 2009

• So when Washington DC gets buried under 20"...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 40 Replies: 3
  Topic: So when Washington DC gets buried under 20"...     
  Last response by kurl on December 18, 2009

• So these new Chrysler commercials...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 15 Replies: 0
  Topic: So these new Chrysler commercials.­..     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: Reagan = One of the 4 greatest ever

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 1
  Topic: Reagan = One of the 4 greatest ever     Rating: +1/-2
  Last response by darthvader on December 18, 2009

• Simple question for lefties...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 22 Replies: 1
  Topic: Simple question for lefties...     
  Last response by kurl on December 18, 2009

• Re: 9 Months After ~Stimulus~, 49 of 50 States Have LOST Jobs!!!

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: 9 Months After ~Stimulus~, 49 of 50 States Have LOST Jobs!!!     Rating: +3/-3
  Last response by MrTiki on December 18, 2009

• Re: Question for all..

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 2
  Topic: Question for all..     
  Last response by swiet on December 18, 2009

• Re: More good news on the unemployment front...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 4 Replies: 0
  Topic: More good news on the unemployment front...     Rating: +1
  Last response by LEONIDAS on December 18, 2009

• Eh, not so much...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 21 Replies: 0
  Topic: Eh, not so much...     Rating: +1
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: Don't Cry for me America

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 2
  Topic: Don't Cry for me America     
  Last response by rekibtc on December 18, 2009

• Re: Don't Cry for me America

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: Don't Cry for me America     
  Last response by rekibtc on December 18, 2009

• Re: Are you that dense, can't believe you said that.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 0
  Topic: Don't Cry for me America     
  Last response by rekibtc on December 18, 2009

• Here's another...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: A snippet of "Liberal­ Wisdom:"­     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: A snippet of "Liberal Wisdom:"

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 4 Replies: 0
  Topic: A snippet of "Liberal­ Wisdom:"­     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: A snippet of "Liberal Wisdom:"

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 16 Replies: 1
  Topic: A snippet of "Liberal­ Wisdom:"­     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: BULLSHIT!

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 0
  Topic: GOPers Getting Spanked in Congress     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: GOPers Getting Spanked in Congress

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: GOPers Getting Spanked in Congress     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: McCain and his spineless "bi-partisanshit" is why the GOP

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 2
  Topic: GOPers Getting Spanked in Congress     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• The TARP money was created out of thin air...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 38 Replies: 2
  Topic: The TARP money was created out of thin air...     
  Last response by TRIGGER 3.2 on December 18, 2009

• Re: The TARP money was created out of thin air...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: The TARP money was created out of thin air...     
  Last response by TRIGGER 3.2 on December 18, 2009

• Re: The TARP money was created out of thin air...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 6 Replies: 1
  Topic: The TARP money was created out of thin air...     
  Last response by TRIGGER 3.2 on December 18, 2009

• Global warming crowd is just Y2k morons on steroids...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 17 Replies: 0
  Topic: Global warming crowd is just Y2k morons on steroids...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• There is something inherently stupid in electing...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 33 Replies: 1
  Topic: There is something inherently stupid in electing...     
  Last response by Craig on December 18, 2009

• Re: You weren't running...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: There is something inherently stupid in electing...     
  Last response by Craig on December 18, 2009

• Cap and trade (just another Dem job killer)...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009     Views: 15 Replies: 0
  Topic: Cap and trade (just another Dem job killer)...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 18, 2009

• Re: So, Pugs say the polls vindicate their obstruction on HCR...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: So, Pugs say the polls vindicate their obstruction on HCR...     
  Last response by ErictheRight on December 17, 2009

• Re: So, Pugs say the polls vindicate their obstruction on HCR...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: So, Pugs say the polls vindicate their obstruction on HCR...     
  Last response by ErictheRight on December 17, 2009

• Re: Sarah Palin makes frontal attack on John McCain

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 7 Replies: 1
  Topic: Sarah Palin makes frontal attack on John McCain     
  Last response by JoeBlam on December 17, 2009

• Re: Another dismal day on the DOW, jobless claims up again.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Another dismal day on the DOW, jobless claims up again.     Rating: -1
  Last response by Reptilicus on December 17, 2009

• Re: Another dismal day on the DOW, jobless claims up again.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Another dismal day on the DOW, jobless claims up again.     Rating: -1
  Last response by Reptilicus on December 17, 2009

• Re: Another dismal day on the DOW, jobless claims up again.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 20 Replies: 1
  Topic: Another dismal day on the DOW, jobless claims up again.     Rating: -1
  Last response by Reptilicus on December 17, 2009

• Re: Coburn and his ilk

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: The real HC debate     Rating: +1/-1
  Last response by rekibtc on December 17, 2009

• Re: The real HC debate

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: The real HC debate     Rating: +1/-1
  Last response by rekibtc on December 17, 2009

• Re: So you don't think they should have any say-so?

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Here's a thought.     Rating: -1
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: Here's a thought.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 2
  Topic: Here's a thought.     Rating: -1
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: That's what I figured.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: Here's a thought.     Rating: -1
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: Time for the Senate to change its rules....

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 7 Replies: 0
  Topic: Time for the Senate to change its rules....     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: You're arguing different subjects...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: LIke I said...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Ron Paul never had a chance...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 92 Replies: 4
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: You're arguing different subjects...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: I don't need convincing...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 12 Replies: 1
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: Most Republicans will reject him...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 2
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: Most Republicans will reject him...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 2
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: As a matter of fact

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: He doesn't have to "push" it...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 20 Replies: 1
  Topic: Ron Paul never had a chance...     
  Last response by Craig on December 17, 2009

• Re: Okay tough guys here's WHAT I GOT for Xmas.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 2
  Topic: Okay tough guys here's WHAT I GOT for Xmas.     Rating: +3
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: I had the same problem

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Okay tough guys here's WHAT I GOT for Xmas.     Rating: +3
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: I know, it's the pits, mine is Dec. 28th

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 1
  Topic: Okay tough guys here's WHAT I GOT for Xmas.     Rating: +3
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• Re: Say AF, not sure I told you..

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: Okay tough guys here's WHAT I GOT for Xmas.     Rating: +3
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 17, 2009

• 100 Fray points to the liberal who can id the speaker...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 43 Replies: 3
  Topic: 100 Fray points to the liberal who can id the speaker...     Rating: -1
  Last response by BB_Rascal on December 16, 2009

• Re: Fray Poll (party neutral)

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 2
  Topic: Fray Poll (party neutral)     
  Last response by Hst_Fan on December 16, 2009

• Re: Now that idea has some merit

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: Fray Poll (party neutral)     
  Last response by Hst_Fan on December 16, 2009

• Re: ...isn't that the problem with many returning...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 0
  Topic: Fray Poll (party neutral)     
  Last response by Hst_Fan on December 16, 2009

• Re: You asked for it....you GOT it!

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: You asked for it....you GOT it!     Rating: -1
  Last response by JoeBlam on December 16, 2009

• Re: You asked for it....you GOT it!

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: You asked for it....you GOT it!     Rating: -1
  Last response by JoeBlam on December 16, 2009

• Re: Sam Kinison, may he R.I.P.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: You asked for it....you GOT it!     Rating: -1
  Last response by JoeBlam on December 16, 2009

• Re: Libertarian view on Health Care

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Libertarian view on Health Care     Rating: +1
  Last response by sashal12 on December 16, 2009

• Re: DimRats devouring their own....

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: DimRats devouring their own....     Rating: -1
  Last response by J.MADISON on December 16, 2009

• Re: Chucklehead? you need income to pay property taxes

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 16, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Terminator best not mess with SarahCUDA... :-D     
  Last response by rekibtc on December 16, 2009

• Re: Proof That Lieberman Is A Lowlife

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 0
  Topic: Proof That Lieberman Is A Lowlife     
  Last response by Preparation_H on December 15, 2009

• Re: Why would they? This is just another step

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Lieberman indicates support for health bill     
  Last response by roloflex on December 15, 2009

• Re: Lieberman indicates support for health bill

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Lieberman indicates support for health bill     
  Last response by roloflex on December 15, 2009

• Re: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 4 Replies: 2
  Topic: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 2
  Topic: 5 Reasons to be optimistic (if youre not right-wing that is)     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: ...not sure about you but...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: ...not sure about you but...     
  Last response by Figjam on December 15, 2009

• Re: Latest sign of Obama despair, "last chance" to pass

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Latest sign of Obama despair, "last chance" to pass     Rating: -1
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009

• Heard on the local news this morning...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 64 Replies: 3
  Topic: Heard on the local news this morning...     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: ...yes, it is much better that...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 12 Replies: 1
  Topic: Heard on the local news this morning...     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: The Shakedown Artist in Chief

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: Heard on the local news this morning...     
  Last response by Don on December 15, 2009

• Re: I asked the Witch Doctor, and this is what he said:

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 15, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 0
  Topic: I asked the Witch Doctor, and this is what he said:     
  Last response by marylb on December 15, 2009

• Re: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal     
  Last response by darthvader on December 14, 2009

• Re: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 1
  Topic: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal     
  Last response by darthvader on December 14, 2009

• Re: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009     Views: 3 Replies: 1
  Topic: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal     
  Last response by darthvader on December 14, 2009

• Re: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Faux News lying up a blue streak about the new HCR proposal     
  Last response by darthvader on December 14, 2009

• Re: Obama's NSA begins affirmative action for muslim employees.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009     Views: 2 Replies: 1
  Topic: Obama's NSA begins affirmative action for muslim employees.     
  Last response by sgtROCK on December 14, 2009

• Re: "..............PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE................."

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009     Views: 5 Replies: 0
  Topic: "...........­...PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE.....­............­"     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 14, 2009

• Last Sunday when I drove to the local supermarket...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009     Views: 62 Replies: 3
  Topic: Last Sunday when I drove to the local supermarket.­..     
  Last response by swiet on December 5, 2009

• Smple question for lefties...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 79 Replies: 1
  Topic: Smple question for lefties...     
  Last response by Craig on December 5, 2009

• Re: Wow.... Bowled over...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 20 Replies: 3
  Topic: Wow.... Bowled over...     Rating: +3/-1
  Last response by sashal12 on December 5, 2009

• For any of you interested in the Big East...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 50 Replies: 3
  Topic: For any of you interested in the Big East...     
  Last response by Mr-Pinko on December 5, 2009

• Re: Big East what?

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: For any of you interested in the Big East...     
  Last response by Mr-Pinko on December 5, 2009

• Re: I have my own question...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 8 Replies: 2
  Topic: I have my own question...     
  Last response by BetterThanU on December 5, 2009

• Re: You know the answer

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: I have my own question...     
  Last response by BetterThanU on December 5, 2009

• I have my own question...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 68 Replies: 4
  Topic: I have my own question...     
  Last response by BetterThanU on December 5, 2009

• Re: re: Fray poll for everyone

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 8 Replies: 0
  Topic: re: Fray poll for everyone     
  Last response by Preparation_H on December 5, 2009

• I don't understand the fuss over profit in health care...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 40 Replies: 2
  Topic: I don't understand the fuss over profit in health care...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009

• Re: I don't understand the fuss over profit in health care...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 11 Replies: 0
  Topic: I don't understand the fuss over profit in health care...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009

• Re: I don't understand the fuss over profit in health care...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 8 Replies: 0
  Topic: I don't understand the fuss over profit in health care...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009

• Re: If you could design our health care system from scratch...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 7 Replies: 1
  Topic: If you could design our health care system from scratch...     
  Last response by Commander Guy on December 5, 2009

• Re: If you could design our health care system from scratch...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 8 Replies: 1
  Topic: If you could design our health care system from scratch...     
  Last response by Commander Guy on December 5, 2009

• Whether looking for jobs under the cushions...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 25 Replies: 0
  Topic: Whether looking for jobs under the cushions...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009

• Re: Private sector job growth.

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009     Views: 27 Replies: 0
  Topic: Private sector job growth.     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 5, 2009

• Re: ...as far as I understand there are fewer jobs...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009     Views: 6 Replies: 1
  Topic: Economic honesty question for lefties...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009

• Re: ...is that so?

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009     Views: 7 Replies: 1
  Topic: Economic honesty question for lefties...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009

• Re: Economic honesty question for lefties...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009     Views: 9 Replies: 0
  Topic: Economic honesty question for lefties...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009

• Economic honesty question for lefties...

  Posted to Ballot Box by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009     Views: 59 Replies: 3
  Topic: Economic honesty question for lefties...     
  Last response by HST-libertarian on December 4, 2009