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Crazy for Allah
by TheBell
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Veteran’s Day is always a solemn occasion but the sense of loss it entails was particularly keen for this year’s observance, given the recent events at Fort Hood. Major Nidal Hasan, an American of Arab/Islamic descent, killed thirteen people there and wounded over thirty more in a shooting spree. Who Hasan was has almost overshadowed the horror of what he did, particularly following revelations about what the government knew/suspected about him.

At first, officials downplayed Hasan’s background, characterizing the shootings as an assault by an unstable individual, acting alone, rather than an act of terrorism. Hasan’s shipment to Afghanistan for a tour of duty was imminent and authorities presumed this triggered a violent response. The term most often applied to the shootings in the early hours of reporting was “outburst.”

Then other disturbing aspects about Hasan started coming to light.

Prior to his deployment at Fort Hood, Hasan once gave a controversial briefing to his fellow doctors, in which he concluded, “It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims” and recommended Muslim soldiers be given the option of being released from the military as conscientious objectors.

Hasan regularly attended the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center, a mosque in Falls Church Virginia once led by radical Islamic cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki. Investigators supposedly found emails to al-Qaida on Hasan’s confiscated computer, although it was unclear if the terrorist group ever contacted him back. In any case, investigators say Hasan first came to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings believed attributable to him that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

Several witness claimed they heard Hasan shout out, “Allahu Akbar” or “God is great,” a traditional Islamic blessing during the shooting spree.

All this has left some characterizing the shootings as the largest single terrorist attack in America since September 11. These proponents fume that a misplaced desire for political correctness purposely caused the Army to disregard a dangerous Islamic jihadist and the mainstream media initially to downplay his Arab/Muslim background.

Walid Phares, a Senior Fellow at the hawkish Foundation for Defense of Democracies, maintains in an op/ed piece for the FOXNews website, “What happened at Fort Hood is about the radicalization of individuals by an extremist ideology – jihadism – which fuels acts of terror. The main question we should be asking is when did Hasan become radicalized and who indoctrinated him?”

Personally, I fail to see the need to dichotomize Hasan in this manner. Why must he be either a psychotic or a jihadist? Why can’t he be both?

Hasan was born in this country by parents of Palestinian descent, who immigrated to the United States from a city in the West Bank, where his grandfather still lives. After high school, he joined the U.S. military. This was against the wishes of his parents, according to some sources. Whether this caused estrangement between Hasan and his family or whether they eventually reconciled is not clear. However, friends and acquaintances note he became demonstrably more religious after his parents died a decade ago.

While in the Army, Hasan earned a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry from Virginia Tech. He went on to medical school at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, from which he earned his M.D. degree. Hasan then served a residency in psychiatry at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, including a fellowship in Disaster and Preventive Psychiatry at the Center for Traumatic Stress.

Hasan spent years at Walter Reed counseling soldiers who had fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, now suffering from debilitating physical wounds as well as depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other severe mental problems. The Army promoted Hasan from Captain to Major in May 2009. Yet before his transfer to Fort Hood in July, Hasan received a poor performance evaluation for reasons that remain confidential. He received received counseling and extra supervision while an intern.

According to his cousin, Hasan’s army colleagues sometimes harassed him because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity. In his short time at Fort Hood, somebody vandalized Hasan’s car with a key for about $1000 in damage. Police eventually charged another soldier, known to disapprove of Hasan’s religion, for the incident.

None of this even remotely suggests that Hasan is somehow an innocent victim, driven to violence by the prejudice of his fellow soldiers. However, he is arch-typical of the sort of person that Islamic extremists seek out as prime recruits – a middle-class, well-educated young adult, the child or grandchild of immigrants, living in a Western country. The offspring of two cultures, Hasan felt neither accepted by nor fully part of either. Did Hasan undergo radicalization by some terrorist cell, as Phares and others suggest, or did his psychosis lead him to radicalize himself?

Exactly why Hasan felt some call back to his Arab/Islamic roots is unclear but he certainly gave ample warning signs of his growing inability to reconcile his Muslim heritage with his role as a U.S. soldier. If any part of the federal government knew about these warning signs and failed to act upon them, heads deserve to roll.

The military’s sudden transfer of Hasan to Fort Hood seems strange. It is hard to escape the feeling that an officer, exhibiting disturbing signs of mental instability, instead of being properly treated and perhaps even removed from duty, was quickly shuffled off to become someone else’s problem. Dozens at Fort Hood may have paid a high price, and some the ultimate price, because the military was unwilling to admit a young Muslim American of great promise had turned out to be a poor soldier or were simply unwilling to deal with the administrative nightmare of firing a doctor.

Perhaps Hasan joined the military as a covert means to act against America and strike a blow at it from within. More consistent with the facts, however, is the idea that he joined the Army in a burst of patriotic fervor for his family’s adopted country. The nature of his job within the military and the stress it entailed, as well as his own lack of an internal support system and coping mechanisms, may have slowly but surely caused him to turn to Islamic conservatism and finally extremism.

Hasan was a complicated person. His Islamic heritage certainly came to play a central role in his psychosis but was not necessarily the seed of it. The current imam at the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center said he met with Hasan, apparently a lifelong bachelor, several times last year in an unsuccessful attempt to help him find a Muslim wife. In contrast, Hasan visited a strip club not far from Fort Hood at least three times within the last month, staying for more than six hours each visit, according to the club’s manager.

“It is common to mass shooters who have a sexual-romantic incompetence to redirect their masculinity through spectacular acts of destruction,” according to Doctor Michael Welner, chairman of The Forensic Panel in New York.

While political correctness, to the extent it interfered with identifying Hasan as troubled, is wrong and must be avoided in the future, so a witch hunt directed against all Muslim soldiers as ticking time bombs is equally mistaken.

Dan Ross, an elderly Christian man from Lehigh Acres Florida, attracted the attention of the FBI after he attempted to send a dozen yellow roses to Hasan. “It is the Christian commandment to love your enemies and to do good to them. I did that,” explained Ross. Interestingly, the florist who received the order, also a Christian, refused to fill it, arguing such an act went beyond compassion and suggested admiration.

It only goes to show that two Christians can have very different views on religious dogma and its application to “real life.” Likewise, Hasan was a soldier and a Muslim who descended into madness and committed an act of mass terror. Nonetheless, this does not mean we can presuppose his possibly insane actions as typical to all Muslim soldiers serving in the U.S. military. It would be unfortunate if this tragic incident caused the Army to lose completely the disciplined restraint it has exercised in this area since September 11.

Re: Crazy for Allah
by Unsightly Vermin
Please allow me to be the first to call you a bigot in response to this post. I don't actually believe it, nor is there any evidence in your post to support it; however, it is de rigeur and I am - if nothing else - very fashionable.
Re: Disciplined restraint
by HAP

Hi TheBell, I also failed to detect any bigotry in your posting; I enjoyed reading it. I am unsure I would agree with your diagnosis of psychosis, troubled – the word you used later – I think is a given, possibly insane – the words you use even later – were excellent choice of words, I thought. Currently I am leaning towards thinking the alleged murderer is probably a heterosexual.

Re: Crazy for Allah
by LaurieAnnM

TheBell, as much as I understand your concern for the rest of The Muslim Servicemen and women and I do understand it is a concern....and it matters and I care about it.

However..what always strikes me so odd among liberals these days, is where in the name of Gawd, is your concern for the vast majority of service men and women in Uniform, who are not Muslim, too?!!??!!

Hasn't it crossed your mind, at all, what a major, negative effect this specific act on the part of this monster ,Hasan, will have on our young soldiers??! Soldiers, who now know ,that someone within in the military itself ,has murdered in cold blood , 13 of their fellow soldiers? !?

(the military these young recruits are trained to believe are there to help them and support them. This matters too, what they are going through!)

Does it never cross liberals minds what a severe deleterious effect psychologically, this act by Hasan, is going to have reverberating across America, in every household where some High School Graduate decides he would never ,now join the military , as obviously the military can not even protect him from terrorists within it's own ranks??

That's the worst of all this!

NOT, how whining and teary eyed all the libs are over being worried if Muslim soldiers will get picked on more because of this.

Dear God Almighty! Get over that. What about our troops,overall!! What about Our Military's Morale??!!..and how what Hasan did has affected them??!!

The far larger and greater issue and impact of Hasan did is is our troops are going to be so mixed up and confused by this event having occured within it's own ranks, that the imapct to even our own ability to get a good solid volunteer army and maintain good morale overall, is going to be severely damaged.

What mom or dad would even want thier kid to join now after seeing something like this happen from within the military itself?

I just don't get the liberal mind-set at all anymore.

I don't give a damn about Hasan or if Muslims are worried!

They ought to be worried enough to make some very loud, verbal exclamations of loyalty to America..I hope they are worried enough to do that!

I worry about the youngsters fresh out of HS in the military and what this has done to them!

And I worry about what this has done to our ability to maintain good morale and training within the Military Branches itself.

~LAM

Re: Disciplined restraint
by LaurieAnnM

Hey, on that, HAP: Yesterday when the news crews went into his apartment they found prescriptions Hasan had written to himself, some were antibiotics, cough medicines and some the news guy said were anti virals used for HIV patients, that he was taking. The news people might be wrong..they often are. But, this was reported several times, yesterday.

I doubt he's gay however as he was going to strip joints quite often, recently. But, it was a curious item.

thats the liberal trope -
by baltimore aureole

that a murderer or terrorist, by definition, must be suffering from some sort of mental disease.

in its most offensive form, this viewpoint manifests itself in the line of dialogue "dr phil" pursued last week, asking his audience to consider all the trauma in Hasan's background (growing up safe in america, not experiencing poverty, getting a medical degree for free at the courtesy of the US government).

jihadists, like christian bigots, KKK racists, black panthers, etc apparently start with a strong sense of group identity and allegiance on the basis of race, religion, or perceived shared experience. this isn't necessarly the result of psychosis - but rather the insularity of their daily lives, and failure to encounter or regard mainstream views as having any credibility.

exactly like the fraysters who bray continually that only the media sites THEY approve of (right wing or progressive) are truthful, and everybody else is a pack of liars out to get them.

Not All Muslims Are Murderers
by Urquhart

If I hear that one more time, I shall spit. Allow me to treat you to a bit of dialogue from the MST treatment of the fine Coleman Francis film "Skydivers". The situation: a customer of a sport parachuting agency has just plummeted to the ground, and the owners are worried. Then a guy shows up.

Servo: Uh-oh, here comes their PR flack.
Crow: "Many people enjoy sport parachuting without dying."

Many Muslims aren't crazed killers. But in such a sensitive position, any indicator bears a lot of scrutiny. And yes, more scrutiny than of non-Muslims.

Re: Disciplined restraint
by firstphone
Thanks Laurie,I had not heard that..a CBS guy on WWL claimed he was too chicken to shoot himself and forced anyone to commit suicide for him..
Re: Disciplined restraint
by LaurieAnnM

Could be.What a terrible human being. And usually I try to care about what happened to someone in their childhood, but not this time..this guy knew what he was doing.

He had training..he knew...he let himself become the murderer out of whatever rage he felt within.

He did it knowingly out of his own desire and twisted religious fervor.

It's that simple. He was educated enough to be able to know exactly what he was doing and why..and how wrong it was from a human perspective. He didn't care. His fanatical religious fervor trumped all that. He wasn't high on drugs or out of his mind. he was very methodical and pre-meditated and knew exactly what he was doing.


Again..I just can't express how angry it makes me feel for the sake of these young American troops many of whom are the sort of kids that desperately need and benefit from the security and training that comes with being in the military. That's been shattered, that sense of place and security for them within the military among their own

So, for some mixed -up ,murdering, monster like Hasan, who actually was part of the support/counseling network that was assigned to help these kids, in the Army, to have turned up and started shooting them to death ,is just so inexpressibly, horrific and damaging to the troops, overall. Immoral and animalistic like ,on so many levels.what Hasan did.

I doubt Hasan was a known member of anyone in Bin Laden's circle or radar , but if Al Queda wanted to do something severely damaging across America , to the military and its general sense of internal security and strength in unity and morale ,..they probably could never come up with a more effective and damaging event than what Hasan did.

To have this happen to our troops from someone they were supposed to be able to trust makes this crime more damaging and maliciously egregious ,than almost anything else I can think of.

Overall, the morale and feeling of who can they trust amid our troops and wondering who to rely on and how now to each other and trust their superiors to be protecting their interests, has to be horribly altered, right now.

I admit my anger is intense over what he did. For the life of me, how liberals main concern seems only to be what happened to 'poor Hasan' in childhood, in light of the damage and dead he left behind..just makes me feel ill.

That psychological security among our troops, to feel safe within their own groups, has got to be horrifically damaged and compromised,due to the actions of the selfish raging, angry, ugly, murdering, monster: Nidel Hasan.

One of his victims was 3 months pregnant. Several others were female, as well.

How long are we going to ignore the needs of our troops and make them suck it up and never question or worry about Muslims in their ranks? Liberals act like they don't exist or matter. It's all about are Muslims being unfairly smeared or worse in their minds, will anyone view Obama in a bad light, because his father was a Muslim..with libs it's all about Muslims feelings, and how Obama looks.

Nothing and no one else matters to them.

Nothing.

Not their country's welfare..not the troops fighting to defend it..nothing.

Just Obama. Just how are Muslims perceived.

That's it.

That's all they care about.


Re: Crazy for Allah is not a bloodless religion...
by Frayed Crackpot

Consider this...about the Buddha and Buddhism versus "Islam" or "Christianity" or " Judaism".

Excerpt:

      " His is the only absolutely bloodless religion among all the existing religions:

      • tolerant and liberal,

      • teaching universal compassion and charity,

      • love and self-sacrifice,
      • poverty and contentment with one’s lot, whatever it may be.
      • No persecutions, and enforcement of faith by fire and sword, have ever disgraced it.
      • Not thunder-and-lightning-vomiting god has interfered with its chaste commandments;
      • and if the simple, humane and philosophical code of daily life left to us by the greatest Man-Reformer ever known, should ever come to be adopted by mankind at large, then indeed an era of bliss and peace would dawn on Humanity. (TG) "
Re: Disciplined restraint
by HAP

It will be interesting to find out who actually shot the alleged murderer, Sergeant Todd or Sergeant Munley.

Re: Disciplined restraint
by LaurieAnnM

Yeah, it will. I saw the female cop on TV yesterday. She's very admirable. Glad she's doing well. It was interesting how she described the pain of the bullet as it entered her leg (thigh). In A 'n P in College we had to dissect cats..and I tell you honestly ,, though, I know it sounds weird...the most amazing, impressive part to me was the quadriceps, muscle groups. Absolutely stunning and amazing strong bands of layered muscle groups that intertwine in a manner that depicts such beauty and power ....really impressive stuff.

Her beautiful quadriceps were blasted through with his bullet and I imagine that pain was intense, just as she described the feeling of her muscle being pulled away from his bearing... yet miraculously with good luck and good healing she will regain most of her former strength..one hopes anyway, in that leg.

Very admirable woman. I hate gunshot wounds. the damage they do to tissue because it blasts out and away everything it comes in contact with if it hits bone or hits certain ways where it can't do a clean through and through. Bullet wounds are very hard to heal because of that. Messy, messy wounds.

Apparently Not
by TheBell

Hi, Unslightly Vermin. I get your drift but, based on other replies received so far, I think I am more likely to be labeled a liberal apologist for it (i.e. I love and trust Muslims far too much rather than regard them with unreasoning hatred). Just shows how quick fashions change. Thanks for your reply.

It Seems to Come Up a Lot
by TheBell
Hi, HAP. I think "psychosis" comes up with Hasan a lot because apparently his obsession with Islam became so great it interfered with his ability to do his job or even form social relationships. NPR reports this morning that some doctors who worked with him at Walter Reed are saying -- annonymously -- that this is the very word that came up in consideration about him. However, I would agree it is far to early to make any real diagnosis about him. Thanks for your reply.
Again, Why Must It Be One or the Other?
by TheBell

Hi, LaurieAnnM. I would have thought that concern over the rest of the military, especially the victims of this horrible crime, would be a given on the part of any American but if you need me to reassure you that I feel it for them as much as you reassure me that you care about Muslim men and women in the military, then I can only state it does weigh heavily on my mind.

As you suggest, Hasan is a monster but that is exactly why I would counsel some restraint in assuming every soldier of Islamic faith is an equal threat. If soldiers are understandably devastated that one of their own could turn on them, how secure are they likely to feel being told that thousands in the ranks are all ticking time bombs? -- especially when this is probably not true for the vast majority of them.

The following statement was issued by an Islamic/American group even before Hasan's possible jihadist ties were becoming known.

Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”

”No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

I think everyone here understands that justice in this case needs to have plenty of vengeance mixed in with the mercy. That said, I don't know if its a liberal versus conservative thing but while I do share all of your concerns, I guess I have a little more faith in the ability of families of American servicemen and servicewomen, as well as Americans in general, to understand the true, full nature of this heinous act and deal with it. In that sense, I do not think it is misplaced if some worry about protecting a minority against possible over-reaction by some in the majority. This does not mean these people do not understand and care about the fact that many other people are hurting too. Again, why the need to dichotomize?

Thank you for a sincere and thoughtful reply.

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