Shutdown Gabfest, Day 2: With Special Bonus Material

Reporting on Politics and Policy.
Oct. 3 2013 4:16 PM

Shutdown Gabfest, Day 2: With Special Bonus Material

What can a letter to George Washington from 1793 tell us about the debt ceiling fight?

Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images

(UPDATE: My colleague Emma Roller wrote the text of this piece; I replaced a version I wrote earlier, because, frankly, hers was better.)

David Weigel David Weigel

David Weigel is a Slate political reporter. 

On Wednesday's installment of Slate's daily mini-podcasts about the government shutdown, On Wednesday's installment, David Plotz and John Dickerson pondered whether President Obama could solve the debt ceiling crisis by simply asking the Supreme Court to issue a pre-emptive opinion on his power to authorize debt by invoking the 14th Amendment. Listen to the whole Gabfest here—the 14th Amendment discussion starts about halfway through:


An astute Gabfest listener (tip o'the hat to Scott Alexander Meiner!) wrote in pointing out that one president had already tried such a tactic—in 1793. When George Washington was president, he had then-Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson write to the 4-year-old Supreme Court asking the justices to issue advisory opinions in service of the executive branch. Read Jefferson's letter to the Supreme Court [emphasis added]:

Philadelphia, July 18, 1793.
The war which has taken place among the powers of Europe, produces frequent transactions within our ports and limits, on which questions arise of considerable difficulty, and of greater importance to the peace of the United States. These questions depend for their solution on the construction of our treaties, on the laws of nature and nations, and on the laws of the land; and are often presented under circumstances which do not give a cognizance of them to the tribunals of the country. Yet their decision is so little analogous to the ordinary functions of the executive, as to occasion much embarrassment and difficulty to them. The President would, therefore, be much relieved, if he found himself free to refer questions of this description to the opinions of the judges of the Supreme Court of the United States, whose knowledge of the subject would secure us against errors dangerous to the peace of the United States, and their authority insure the respect of all parties. He has therefore asked the attendance of such judges as could be collected in time for the occasion, to know, in the first place, their opinions, whether the public may with propriety be availed of their advice on these questions. And if they may, to present, for their advice, the abstract questions which have already occurred, or may soon occur, from which they will themselves strike out such as any circumstances might, in their opinion, forbid them to pronounce on.
I have the honor to be, with sentiments of great esteem and respect, Gentlemen, your most obedient, humble servant,
Th: Jefferson.

Though Chief Justice John Jay was a close ally of Washington's, he staunchly defended the Court's independence from the executive. Jay's response to Washington himself:

8 Aug. 1793
We have considered the previous question stated in a letter written by your direction to us by the Secretary of State on the 18th of last month, [regarding] the lines of separation drawn by the Constitution between the three departments of the government. These being in certain respects checks upon each other, and our being judges of a court in the last resort, are considerations which afford strong arguments against the propriety of our extra-judicially deciding the questions alluded to, especially as the power given by the Constitution to the President, of calling on the heads of departments for opinions, seems to have been purposely as well as expressly united to the executive departments.
We exceedingly regret every event that may cause embarrassment to your administration, but we derive consolation from the reflection that your judgment will discern what is right, and that your usual prudence, decision, and firmness will surmount every obstacle to the preservation of the rights, peace, and dignity of the United States.

So it's unlikely the Supreme Court would issue an opinion supporting Obama's ability to raise the debt limit himself. This means, if Obama tried to invoke the 14th and issue new debt himself, it would turn into a legal quagmire and make markets even less confident in the country's solvency. Worst of all, it would undermine the White House's essential goal during this whole crisis: to put pressure on Congress to git 'er done.

David Weigel is a Slate political reporter. 



Blacks Don’t Have a Corporal Punishment Problem

Americans do. But when blacks exhibit the same behaviors as others, it becomes part of a greater black pathology. 

I Bought the Huge iPhone. I’m Already Thinking of Returning It.

Scotland Is Just the Beginning. Expect More Political Earthquakes in Europe.

Lifetime Didn’t Think the Steubenville Rape Case Was Dramatic Enough

So they added a little self-immolation.

Two Damn Good, Very Different Movies About Soldiers Returning From War

Medical Examiner

The Most Terrifying Thing About Ebola 

The disease threatens humanity by preying on humanity.

Students Aren’t Going to College Football Games as Much Anymore, and Schools Are Getting Worried

The Good Wife Is Cynical, Thrilling, and Grown-Up. It’s Also TV’s Best Drama.

  News & Politics
Sept. 19 2014 9:15 PM Chris Christie, Better Than Ever
Sept. 19 2014 6:35 PM Pabst Blue Ribbon is Being Sold to the Russians, Was So Over Anyway
Inside Higher Ed
Sept. 19 2014 1:34 PM Empty Seats, Fewer Donors? College football isn’t attracting the audience it used to.
  Double X
The XX Factor
Sept. 19 2014 4:58 PM Steubenville Gets the Lifetime Treatment (And a Cheerleader Erupts Into Flames)
  Slate Plus
Slate Picks
Sept. 19 2014 12:00 PM What Happened at Slate This Week? The Slatest editor tells us to read well-informed skepticism, media criticism, and more.
Brow Beat
Sept. 19 2014 4:48 PM You Should Be Listening to Sbtrkt
Future Tense
Sept. 19 2014 6:31 PM The One Big Problem With the Enormous New iPhone
  Health & Science
Medical Examiner
Sept. 19 2014 5:09 PM Did America Get Fat by Drinking Diet Soda?   A high-profile study points the finger at artificial sweeteners.
Sports Nut
Sept. 18 2014 11:42 AM Grandmaster Clash One of the most amazing feats in chess history just happened, and no one noticed.