Ben Carson tops Donald Trump in new national poll.

Ben Carson Tops Donald Trump in National Poll; Trump Decides Polls Don’t Matter All That Much

Ben Carson Tops Donald Trump in National Poll; Trump Decides Polls Don’t Matter All That Much

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Oct. 27 2015 10:46 AM

Carson Tops Trump in National Poll; Donald Decides Polls Don’t Matter All That Much

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Demonstrators hold up a piñata of Donald Trump during a protest outside Trump Tower on Oct. 12, 2015, in Chicago.

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Well this should make Wednesday’s Republican debate all the more interesting. A new CBS News/New York Times national poll out Tuesday shows Ben Carson overtaking Donald Trump atop the GOP field, only the second time Trump has not led a national GOP survey since early July. The new poll shows Carson leading Trump by four points, 26 percent to 22 percent. That’s a 10-point swing in the former neurosurgeon’s favor since the last time CBS pollsters surveyed Republican voters earlier this month. None of the other candidates come close to the top two:

  • Carson: 26 percent, up 5 points from earlier this month
  • Trump: 22 percent, down 5 points
  • Marco Rubio: 8 percent, unchanged
  • Jeb Bush: 7 percent, up 1 point
  • Carly Fiorina: 7 percent, up 1 point
  • John Kasich: 4 percent, up 2 points
  • Ted Cruz: 4 percent, down 5 points
  • Mike Huckabee: 4 percent, up 2 points
  • Rand Paul: 4 percent, unchanged
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Carson’s lead is within the poll’s margin of the error, but it represents the first time he’s led the CBS poll. (Trump’s still up on Carson in RealClearPolitics' rolling average by about 5 points—though that lead is less than half of what it was last month.) The results comes on the heels of a string of Iowa-specific polls that suggest Carson has taken a clear lead in the state that will kick off the GOP nominating contest early next year.

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Josh Voorhees is a Slate senior writer. He lives in Iowa City. 

Trump, who has repeatedly used his polling performance to shrug off criticism of his personal style and ignore questions about his policies, reacted to the news about how you would expect—by deciding that polls don’t matter all that much.

“Well, I think you have to understand polls,” Trump said during an appearance on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “I believe in polls, I generally believe in polls. The thing with these polls, they’re all so different, they’re coming from all over the lot where one guy’s up here and somebody else is up there or you see swings of 10 and 12 points and you know, like, immediately, the same day. So right now it’s not very scientific.”

Generally speaking, Trump—who also noted that he attended a class on polls while getting his MBA at the University of Pennsylvania—is right: Polls tell us about the mood of the electorate today but not what will happen tomorrow. On this date four years ago, after all, Herman Cain was leading eventual nominee Mitt Romney in the national polls. (A month later, Cain would give up the top spot to … Newt Gingrich.) And on this date eight years ago, eventual nominee John McCain was looking up at both Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson.

Still, Trump’s come-to-statistics moment is a convenient one given that the latest polls are no longer offering him results he can boast about on the stump—and an inconvenient one because it undercuts so much of what he's been saying for the past three months. If the latest numbers are a harbinger of things to come, then Trump will need to find a new way to justify his political existence on the campaign trail—and, to date, he’s done little to suggest he can.

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