Tom Scocca: Wow, what, New York Times "dot com"?
Tom : BREAKING NEWS 4:43 PM ET California Gay Marriage Ban Overturned
Tom: My clock says 5:09 p.m.
Choire Sicha: lol
Choire: The WaPo news alert was insanely tardy, too.
Tom: Do they at least have a story, unlike the Times?
Tom: A stub of a story?
How did New York magazine get a "scoop" on this?
Tom: Ay yi yi.
Tom: But . . . it's a JUDGE'S DECISION.
Choire: Having a pdf on the ground with a scanner is better than anything else still. Courts are always slow.
Tom: Better than somebody speed-reading and speed-typing excerpts?
Choire: Probably that yeah. But still in person
Tom: Why wasn't anybody there? You see my confusion? This is a big news story.
Choire: HERE's an item for you.
Tom: What even does that mean what?
Choire: That's how the AP rolls now
Tom: But that's like half an hour after the New York mag time stamp.
Tom: Or does that time stamp just reflect when NYMag teed up an item?
Choire: No, they were early. With the same post. That they then updated.
Choire: Now my mother wants me to get married in California.
Tom: GODDAMN JUDICIAL ACTIVISTS!
Tom: Where were you going to do it otherwise?
Choire: I dunno, Greenwich or some shit?
Tom: Annnd the NYT is up . . . 59 minutes late.
With 59 minutes, you'd think they'd have come up with a better word than "temporary":
Tom: Would that sentence be any worse off without "temporary" in it?
Tom: Come to think of it, "all but certain to be settled" involves a lot of assumptions.
Tom: If the Roberts Court goes 5-4 against gay marriage, the gays are going to call it a day.
Tom: "Hey, we tried!"
Choire: Right? OH GAME OVER OKAY
Tom: And if the Prop 8 people lose, I'm sure they won't try to come up with a reworded ban.
Tom: "Wednesday’s decision, written by Federal District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker of Federal District Court here, which was being reported by several local news outlets but could not be immediately confirmed"—good gravy.
Tom: —"is just the first chapter of what is expected to be a long legal battle over the ban"—
Tom: First chapter?
Choire: What a terrible book that would be but also... no.
: They didn't have enough time in that 59 minutes to glance at Wikipedia?
Tom: The New York Times; we're not first, but at least we're wrong!
Tom: Also maybe a little cryptomnesia? New York mag:
the unlikely pair (they faced off against one another famously during the 2000 presidential election aftermath, with Olson representing Bush and Boies Gore
Tom: The Times:
the plaintiffs’ case was argued by David Boies and Theodore Olson, ideological opposites who once famously sparred in the 2000 Supreme Court battle over the presidency.
Choire: Famously indeed!
Tom: No one should ever use the word.
Choire: Yeah, that shit goes on the list.
Tom: Which is why I couldn't help but notice it got used twice, to describe the same thing, in two different stories.
Tom: "The who had brought the case — Perry v. Schwarzenegger — in May 2009 on behalf of two gay couples who said that Proposition 8"
Tom: "The who"?
Tom: "The two"?
Choire: I would suggest "two." Yes.
Tom: Hey, I make lots of sloppy errors, especially writing in a hurry on the Internet, but was there anything about that sentence that couldn't have been written and copy edited yesterday?
Wow, it goes on and on.
"Emotional indicator"? Whose emotions are being indicated? "Dull" is a synonym for "prevent"? Isn't all this subsumed by "equality"?
Wasn't their defense remarked on for being embarrassingly unstraightforward? In that they weren't able to present any objective evidence to support their claims.
Tom: Aha! It's quarter to six, and when I reloaded the story, they had finally gotten their own hands on the decision.
Tom: They also cleaned up that "first chapter" nonsense.
Tom: "Wednesday’s decision is just the latest chapter of what is expected to be a long legal battle over the ban..."
Choire: Oh, it's a LATEST chapter.
Tom: Yes! Somebody is speed-editing this thing.
I'm really trapped in "emotional indicator" still.
Choire: It's like yes but and but yes but?
Again, why are they writing the boilerplate about the meaning of the gay-rights movement on the fly?
Yeah that should be copy-and-pasteable
They should get a few pointers from the sports desk.
The sports guys aren't like, "The throw from Robinson Cano landed in Mark Teixeira's glove, the umpire signaled out, and the New York Yankees had won their HOW MANY TK championship, the team's first SINCE TK..."
"Nixon, who ran for president unsuccessfully in the '60s and then again successfully also in the '60s [GET DATES]..."
Anyway, apparently New York magazine knows how to do breaking news better than the Times.
Tom: I don't really care who got the scoop. Everybody knew a decision was coming down this afternoon. The question is why the Times was unprepared to write a news story about it.
Choire: Well right, it's not a scoop. Unless you're interested in a couple thousand measly pageviews for being FIRRSSTT!11
Choire: Which is not a bad thing entirely! I thought NY mag was very competent!
Choire: Competent AND first11!!