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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Convictions : omar</title><link>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/omar/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: omar</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2.1 SP2 (Build: 61129.2)</generator><item><title>A Soldier's Take on Munaf</title><link>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/25/a-soldier-s-take-on-munaf.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:13:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">b38b617e-fbf1-4816-b2a6-f11ec83af8cb:2212</guid><dc:creator>Phillip Carter</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/comments/2212.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/commentrss.aspx?PostID=2212</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;Like &lt;A class="" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/thank-heavens-for-the-bulgarians-in-iraq.aspx" target=_blank&gt;Marty&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A class="" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/24/curious-about-munaf.aspx" target=_blank&gt;Diane&lt;/A&gt;, and &lt;A class="" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/munaf-and-omar-go-to-white-castle.aspx" target=_blank&gt;Deborah&lt;/A&gt;,&amp;nbsp; I, too, am excited about today's oral argument in &lt;EM&gt;Munaf&lt;/EM&gt; and &lt;EM&gt;Omar&lt;/EM&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Not just because I think this case raises thorny issues, but also because this case deals with a subject I have some personal experience with.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I&amp;nbsp;served in Iraq from 2005-06 as an adviser to the Iraqi police in Baqubah. My team also &lt;A class="" href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5484904" target=_blank&gt;worked closely&lt;/A&gt; with the provincial courts and jails as part of an effort to improve the larger rule-of-law system.&amp;nbsp;Every time we visited a police station, we also looked at its detention cell or jail. We lived on the police headquarters compound for the first&amp;nbsp;three months of our tour, literally living above the provincial jail; we later moved down the street and spent at least two days inside the jail.&amp;nbsp;Attorneys for Munaf and Omar now argue that it would be unlawful to transfer their clients from U.S. (or Multi-National Forces) custody to Iraqi custody because of the conditions in the Iraqi jails and prisons&lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"&gt;—&lt;/SPAN&gt;and the likelihood of torture there. I believe these arguments because I saw the overcrowding, squalid conditions, lack of due process, and evidence of torture&amp;nbsp;in these facilities with my own eyes. &amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Second, I soldiered under the Byzantine organization known as &lt;A class="" href="http://www.mnf-iraq.com/" target=_blank&gt;Multi-National Forces-Iraq&lt;/A&gt;. I served pretty far down in the command structure on an adviser&amp;nbsp;team; between me and MNF-I lay the brigade, division, and corps layers of command.&amp;nbsp;However, in our work with the Rule of Law system and Iraqi security forces, we frequently interacted with senior officials and leaders from MNF-I.&amp;nbsp;Notwithstanding the legal arguments from the government's counsel, there is no question in my mind that this is a U.S.-led, U.S.-centric, and U.S.-run organization in every way&lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"&gt;—&lt;/SPAN&gt;right down to the&amp;nbsp;American &lt;A class="" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302994.html" target=_blank&gt;comfort&amp;nbsp;food&lt;/A&gt; they serve in the chow halls next to the Republican Palace in Baghdad that MNF-I uses for a headquarters.&amp;nbsp;I understand the government's argument with respect to the U.N. Security Council mandate and other points, but I think that argument flies in the face of reality. &amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;Why should reality matter?&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I think the court is particularly sensitive to what I'll call the "ground truth" in these detention cases. I think the justices remember well how they heard &lt;A class="" href="http://www.slate.com/id/2099618/" target=_blank&gt;oral argument&lt;/A&gt; in &lt;EM&gt;Rasul&lt;/EM&gt; and &lt;EM&gt;Hamdi&lt;/EM&gt; in April 2004&lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"&gt;—&lt;/SPAN&gt;and even asked a question about torture, eliciting no response from the government&lt;SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman';mso-fareast-font-family:'Times New Roman';mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"&gt;—&lt;/SPAN&gt;only to have CBS air the first images from Abu Ghraib that night on television.&amp;nbsp;I also think the court is aware of how the torture &lt;A class="" href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa_fact6" target=_blank&gt;issue&lt;/A&gt; has &lt;A class="" href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/24/080324fa_fact_gourevitch" target=_blank&gt;developed&lt;/A&gt; since then.&amp;nbsp;My sense is that the court will consider the realities of Iraq in their deliberation and draw out some of those realities today at oral argument.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I look forward to reading Dahlia's "Supreme Court Dispatch" tonight. ...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.slate.com/blogs/aggbug.aspx?PostID=2212" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/Iraq/default.aspx">Iraq</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/torture/default.aspx">torture</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/omar/default.aspx">omar</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/Munaf/default.aspx">Munaf</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/Rasul/default.aspx">Rasul</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/Hamdi/default.aspx">Hamdi</category></item><item><title>A New Writ: Please Detain Me!</title><link>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/a-new-writ-please-detain-me.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">b38b617e-fbf1-4816-b2a6-f11ec83af8cb:2195</guid><dc:creator>Eric Posner</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/comments/2195.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/commentrss.aspx?PostID=2195</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;Suppose that U.S. troops are on patrol in country X.&amp;nbsp;Perhaps they are engaging in joint maneuvers with that country's armed forces; perhaps they are there for some other reason.&amp;nbsp;Some soldiers out on maneuvers run across a person whose face is on a "wanted" poster that they have seen.&amp;nbsp;In violation of their own orders, U.S. law, and local law, they decide to arrest that person, reasoning that he is dangerous and that they are doing everyone a favor.&amp;nbsp;A scandal ensues; the soldiers are disciplined.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Meanwhile, however, the government of country X asks the U.S. military, which has taken custody of the person in question, to hand him over to the government. The government understandably prefers that a wanted criminal not go free. The U.S. military is about to make the transfer when it learns that a U.S. district court has issued a preliminary injunction against turning this person over to the foreign government. This person, who happens to be an American citizen, although concededly under the criminal jurisdiction of country X where his alleged crimes occurred, has some relatives back in the U.S. who have filed a habeas petition on his behalf.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Normally, a habeas petition asks a court to order the U.S. government to release the person in custody.&amp;nbsp;Fine, says the government; we will release him to the government of X.&amp;nbsp;He is a wanted criminal, after all.&amp;nbsp;No, says the court; you have to hold onto him.&amp;nbsp;After we have a habeas hearing, then you can release him.&amp;nbsp;Release him to the government of X?&amp;nbsp;We'll decide later, says the court.&amp;nbsp;Well, what are the other possibilities?&amp;nbsp;Release him secretly so that he can continue to roam at large in country X?&amp;nbsp;Ship him back to the United States and set him free there?&amp;nbsp; Why would we want to do that?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="" href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/munaf-and-omar-go-to-white-castle.aspx"&gt;Deborah&lt;/A&gt;, isn't this the &lt;EM&gt;Omar&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;A class="" href="http://brennan.3cdn.net/60a66f80b775f10b79_arm6bnwfq.pdf"&gt;case&lt;/A&gt; (except that I have assumed, for the sake of argument, that U.S. custody of Omar is clearly illegal when it might well not have been)?&amp;nbsp;Why would it be hypocritical or in any other way wrong for the United States government to release Omar to the custody of Iraqi law enforcement authorities?&amp;nbsp;I'm sure Iraqi criminal justice is not fantastic, but it's what everyone else there has to put up with. As best I can tell, the majority of the appellate panel thinks that detaining Omar for a while longer might do him a favor because the Iraqi authorities could change their minds about arresting him and charging him with crimes, perhaps in light of evidence disclosed in the hearing.&amp;nbsp;In effect, the court is anticipating that Omar's remedy for being illegally (if that is the case) detained is that he will be detained even longer.&amp;nbsp;Odd.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;To see why this is so odd, suppose that the preliminary injunction were out of the picture. Omar is picked up, and a habeas hearing is held instantaneously. If he &lt;I&gt;wins&lt;/I&gt; (the court holds that the detention was illegal), then he is &lt;I&gt;kept in detention&lt;/I&gt; (for how long?) in the hope that the Iraqis will change their minds. If he &lt;I&gt;loses&lt;/I&gt; (the court holds that the detention was legal), then he is &lt;I&gt;released&lt;/I&gt; immediately into the waiting arms of the Iraqi police. Do you think that a wanted criminal in Iraq should be shipped back to the United States for a trial here, even though the alleged crime was committed on Iraqi soil?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If I were a Supreme Court justice, I would ask Omar's counsel what relief he ultimately hoped to obtain (after the hearing is held).&amp;nbsp;I find it hard to believe that the counsel could answer this question without sounding ridiculous.&amp;nbsp;Anyone have any ideas?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.slate.com/blogs/aggbug.aspx?PostID=2195" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/Iraq/default.aspx">Iraq</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/Executive+Power/default.aspx">Executive Power</category><category domain="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/tags/omar/default.aspx">omar</category></item></channel></rss>