In this week’s Slate Plus–exclusive TV Club podcast, Aisha Harris and Derreck Johnson untangle all of the drama from Episode 5, “Be True.” Once again, Lucious slithers out from underneath the FBI’s thumb, leaving him free to continue being the conniving villain he is: namely, hiring some folks to steal Cookie’s music. Meanwhile, Ne-Yo appears as himself to lay down some power ballads—and relationship advice—for Jamal, Hakeem is finally rebuffed by a woman he’s interested in, and Andre goes on a confession binge before getting baptized.

Also, take a look at Aisha’s praise for Season 2 guest star Andre Royo (aka “Bubbles from The Wire”).

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