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Virginia Heffernan talks to Steve Vladek, a professor of law at the University of Texas, about Reality Leigh Winner and what might be the most normal national security story of the Trump administration. Plus, stick around for a chat with the Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland about Trump’s exchange of words with the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, and why the rest of the world is treading softly around our president.
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