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Bragging about being overworked is not a badge of honor. Economists say the way we work has become so stressful it’s now the fifth leading cause of death. That’s according to Jeffrey Pfeffer, a Stanford business professor and author of some of the first meta-analyses of the health costs of the modern workplace.* What will it take for us to transform the way we work and live—as individuals, as organizations, and as a culture—in order to make time for both meaningful work and fuller, healthier lives? That conversation starts here in the inaugural episode of Better Life Lab.

Podcast production by David Schulman.

Better Life Lab is a partnership of Slate and New America.

*Correction, June 21, 2018: This piece originally misidentified Stanford business professor Jeffrey Pfeffer as James Pfeffer.