The hot chick exits: The Television Fray discussion of The View's hostility toward Lisa Ling has landed us in the bizarro world in which chinablack can sensibly declare "Thank God for Rob Schneider." ... 10:10 p.m.
Thursday, Dec. 19, 2002
The Jurisprudence Fray is reckoning with two different issues: gun rights and the public display of the Ten Commandments (in whatever version—and the discussion between raprap and Pagan provides cites for many). …
Saturday night special fever: First, the gun debate unites several of the Fray's favorite targets: gun control advocates, trial lawyers and insurance companies (although the insurers seem to be getting off easily thus far). Thomas-2 explains why the gun control advocates' victory is a defeat for democracy here:
Cause for celebration? Not for those of us who believe in democratic values.
[Y]ou've got judges who, coming from a particular social strata, are likely to favor the underlying cause, and you've got an undereducated jury and sympathetic plaintiffs. Tell the jury that the real purpose is to undermine the ability of anyone anywhere to own a weapon and see what happens. (Even then it wouldn't matter—the point isn't to win all of the cases, but just some. It's not that every group of 12 must agree, just that some group of 12 does, or, in the case of class action litigation, might.)
Joe_JP responds at some length here, noting that "What these cases truly show us is that society doesn't really want a total democracy." ...
15 … 10, 10 Commandments! The Decalogue dialogue makes up in quality what it lacks in quantity. Klug points out that this is an unnecessary fight here:
All of this legal wrangling is like the denouement of battle scenes of Braveheart where the Scots are walking through the battle fields stabbing the dying English footsoldiers: in the legal and cultural arena, the liberals have won. Does anyone pay attention to those old sculptures anymore? Can anyone tell me all 10 of the commandments? Those carvings get far more attention when they're being fought over than when they're quietly sitting in parks and in front of country courthouses. ...
Face it—it's a dead issue, pursued by people with either ulterior motives (fame, notoriety) or people who are deluded into believing these statues have persuasive power for Christianity.
ThePragmatist2 disagrees, noting:
It's far from irrelevant when one considers that if the religious right gets their way with the Ten Commandments, it's not going to stop there.
The_Bell contends thatthe crucial issue in displaying the commandments is community standards, and proposes makes this modest proposal:
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