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Sept. 28 2002 2:31 AM

Things Besides Iraq

The Fray discusses more than the war.

Domestications: The Chatterbox Fray (filtered here) has newfound focus discussing Tim Noah's latest entries. Today's Whopper, in which term limit pasha Tom Tancredo reneges on his pledge not to run again finished with a plea to end the crusade for term limits. Dilan Esper roused himself to explainwhy the crusade should not end, even when your representative is Henry Waxman.

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Noah's defense of Tom Daschle's dudgeon (word on load from kausfiles here) includes a crack about the irrelevance of the anti-terror org chart. This earns smart criticism from Thrasymachus here (not your usual Bush supporter). Has he been corrupted by the bizarro world of Chatterbox? Hardly. This is what happens when you bring your usual thoughtfulness with you …

The response to Noah's piece also contains the best short case I have seen for extending civil service protections to the new Homeland Security department, from RuebenJames here:

[T]he evidence about how the intelligence agencies performed before 9-11 would indicate that the civil service types at grunt level did a good job. The rank and file people had massive amounts of evidence about what the terrorist were up to. The failure appears to be at the management levels, where supervisors ignore evidence, didn't pass it up, didn't talk to their counterparts in other agencies, etc. Bush's plan to make these workers solely dependent for job security and promotion on their superiors is only going to ensure that these agencies are staffed with people who are afraid to go up against their bosses, even when they know they're right.

If only these posts led somewhere, like the nice Chatterbox thread between Media Watcher and bmcburney as they debate Gore's contradictions here

Guide to Kulcha: Not everything is Iraq. In the Movies Fray (which is back to normal), posters are taking issue with Edelstein's pronouncement that Moonlight Mile is the worst movie of the year. Many have other nominees (DB omnibus list here), while Roy Kristiansen notes "we've still got three whole months to go." …

Daily Doses III: Churchill is back, needling Hollywood flack Henry Eshelman in the Diary Fray. This time, he offers an alternative summary of Eshelman’s Thursday:

Post-ironic breakfast with daughter. Cram three days of work into 90 minutes. Over dramatise own stress levels. Patronisingly rebuff creative thoughts designed to satisfy a client need. Lunch with ex-wife. Starfuck. Call 911 for a NOISE complaint? … 11:20 p.m.

Iraqathon II: Joe Klein defended Gore's speech against the Administration's war campaign and asked "Can Al Gore Rouse the Democrats?" At least Gore can rouse The Fray. Again, not much discussion, but many good posts that can serve as beachheads

Freedom's just another word for: H.L. Mencken (not the real one, silly) gives a cynical (or politically savvy) explanation forGore's guts here:

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