Readers on things besides Iraq

Readers on things besides Iraq

Readers on things besides Iraq

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Sept. 28 2002 2:31 AM

Things Besides Iraq

The Fray discusses more than the war.

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Speaking of featuring: In his latest Readme, Michael Kinsley says the case for war with Iraq might be a good one, but we can't know; based on what we do know, the case has not been made. Expect good responses in the Readme Fray and in future Slate pieces.


8 simple rules for conducting weapons inspections: Michael Crowley's Assessment of Scott Ritter made the case for Ritter's about-face vis-a-vis Saddam. But Crowley could only speculate as to why. The Fray is piling on. Is Ritter playing a "deep game" for the CIA? Is he in denial? CSmith has the most pointed barb here:

Ritter is an an argumentative hack, with no commitment to intellectual honesty. He is the David Brock of the Iraq debate.

Abre los ojos still doesn't know what to make of Ritter here, but is perceptively baffled.

Daily Doses II: Henry Eshelman is the "Hollywood flack" whose "confessions" make up this week's Diary. Churchill is another PR guy who has a modest proposal for Eshelman and his entire industry (here): stop taking agency credit for clients' achievements. Naturally, he couches it in the clever, jaunty prose of his calling:

Taking credit for demi-accountable, somewhat trackable, sort-a-kind-a-maybe had something to do with our work sales increases or market share blips is one thing, recognition of personal excellence in one's clients is quite another.

Perhaps in the spirit of accounting reform, we in the advertising profession should strive for full disclosure: How many former Ogilvy Entertainment clients returned to waiting tables in the past year? How many were denied a call-back from The Real World: Paris? How many Ogilvy movies were "big in Japan"? … 8:50 a.m.


Tuesday, Sept. 24, 2002  

Tuscan chicken salad: Looking for debate about the German elections? Looking for a preview of the struggle to build a new anti-Iraq coalition? Try the Foreigners Fray (and not International Papers for once). Marc Fisher's piece describes how the Social Democrats, unburdened by a Nazi past, have grown comfortable applying the Nazi tag to their opponents recklessly. There is a nice discussion between &kathleen and Scipio here. A Scipian snippet:

I don't think the Hitler reference was entirely accidental. Schroeder mentioned not clicking his heels / saluting Bush a number of times during the campaign. In combination with his justice minister's Hitler comparison, it looks like the Dubya = Nazi concept was a campaign talking point for Schroeder and his cabinet ministers. Oh well, no big deal. I guess if you're to the right of Ted Kennedy, you have to get used to being called a Nazi.

Perhaps more interesting are the heated discussions of the dynamics of current German politics: What are the internal pressures on the Social Democrats? What is the historic role of the U.S.? How is the "new German way" an affront to the EU? (or to France?) Juergen Hubert starts a terrific thread here. This excellent post by Scipio (from a different thread) attempts to translate the election results for American readers.

Daily doses: The Diary Fray is reeling with the whipsaw change in Diarists—from human rights activist JamieKalven, who strives to give names and faces to the urban poor, to L.A. PR honcho HenryEshelman, who has given a name to his car. "I felt like a fat, decadent Western pig-dog just reading about this guy's Saturday escapades," &kathleen writes here