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July 3 2002 11:36 AM

Barbie's Dream Date With Tom

In the week leading up to Independence Day (oh, sorry, I meant MIIB), readers' thoughts turned to the essence of America—Godliness, subsidies, or some combination of the two—and the Frays began to resemble one another. This is not surprising: Readers had three or four shots at discussing the separation of church and state, two chances to hit Amtrak, a second go at Minority Report. There was much redundancy, but in one instance a fusion frisson. Our "Culturebox" Frays dissecting the generic allegiances of Spielberg's Minority Report and the feminist allegiances of Barbie mushed together in a Wagnerian Gesamtkitschwerk, which is German for "big pile of squished bananas."

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Subject: Hysterical Lithwick Thinks Sky Will Fall
Re:
"Jurisprudence: The Supremes Pledge Allegiance to God"
From:
locdog
Date:
Jun 28 2002 7:24 AM

Lithwick frames the real tension of this debate as whether or not the First Amendment represents a barrier against the establishment of a specific faith, that is, a state church, or if it represents a more general barrier against the promotion of religion at all, i.e., a completely secular state.

But do those who ostensibly back the latter position really believe the amendment means a 100 percent secular state which completely ignores any and all religions? I think that it's blatantly obvious from the manifold mentions of God in our great documents, government edifices and walls, currency, founder's writings, patriotic hymns, etc., that the intent to have a completely secular state was never a goal of the framers. Neutrality was.

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Subject: Does This Post Make You Angry?
Re:
"History Lesson: The Pledge of Allegiance"
From:
history guy
Date:
Jun 28 2002 2:29 PM

During the Cold War, when the enemy was godless atheistic communism, claiming allegiance under God differentiated us from our enemies. In the current war against terrorist mass murderers, we are defending our lives and our freedom, and it's the enemy who claim to be acting under God's will. "Under God" was the justification for those who destroyed the World Trade Center and would slaughter all of us if they had the chance.

The Bin Ladenites unquestionably would pledge to God, but they do not accept "liberty and justice for all." Removing "under God" from our pledge will emphasize that our nation is different from, and better than, the one they seek to create.

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Subject: The Pledge Is Creepy Anyway
Re:
"History Lesson: The Pledge of Allegiance"
From:
Vinzago
Date:
Jun 29 2002 11:39 PM

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