Help! My Husband Tried to Secretly Film a 19-Year-Old Staying With Us.

Advice on manners and morals.
May 28 2014 8:46 AM

Jeepers, Peepers

In a live chat, Prudie counsels a woman whose husband tried to secretly film a 19-year-old staying with them.

Emily Yoffe.
Emily Yoffe

Photo by Teresa Castracane.

Emily Yoffe, aka Dear Prudence, chats with readers weekly. Starting June 10, the live chat will be hosted here on Slate. An edited transcript of the chat is below. (Sign up here to get Dear Prudence delivered to your inbox each week. Read Prudie’s Slate columns here. Send questions to Prudence at prudence@slate.com.)

Q. Illicit Filming: I’ve been married to my husband for almost 20 years. During that time he’s been a good husband, father to our girls, a great friend, a wonderful lover. We’re not perfect, but we’ve been happy. Until last week. For the past year, we’ve had my niece’s 19-year-old friend living with us. She ended up in our city looking for work and clicked with our family—she wasn’t ready to live by herself (rough upbringing) and having had a similar childhood I wanted to help her get on her feet. Hubby agreed. She’s a beautiful young woman and my husband made a few comments to her about how cute she was. I pointed out to him that he’s a father figure and his comments don’t sound complimentary—they sound icky. Then she abruptly moved out. It turned out he had attempted to secretly film her undressing. I don’t get it. I’m at a total loss as to how to go forward. If he ever showed signs of being a pervert in the past, I missed them entirely. I can barely speak to him and all he’s said so far is he doesn’t know why he did it and feels sick at the harm he’s caused. I’d like him to get counseling but we’re supposed to be making an international move in a few weeks. Are there books and websites to help him make sense of himself? I’m now worried what happens when my girls bring friends over.

A: You may want to purchase a book to throw at him, but I’m afraid there’s no quick way to resolve the awfulness that has been revealed, and I understand it couldn’t have come at a worse time. You’ve got a few weeks, and you and your husband have to make speaking with a counselor a priority. Someone may be able to see you intensively on an emergency basis—start asking your friends for references, and perhaps your physician can recommend some people. You and your husband have to discuss with a neutral party how he could so completely lose his moral bearings, whether he’s ever done anything similar, and where you go from here. You also need to see if the move can be delayed. If it’s for his work, and it can’t be, then perhaps he goes alone, then you two perhaps can continue to discuss this with a therapist via Skype, while you take some time to sort out what your next move (or not) will be. You also need to contact the young woman. You took her in because you understood what it was like to come from a rough background. Now one of her saviors has turned into a violator, and she’s going to need help herself. Think of the move this way: If one of your family members had fallen seriously ill, it would have to be postponed. You have now found out your husband is seriously ill, so dealing with this takes precedence over everything.

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Q. College Incest: I recently started school at a large university for the summer term after transferring from a small private college. I have a disability that makes it difficult for me to live with others and make friends, so I was delighted to have a liberal-minded roommate who is not only incredibly considerate and fun to live with, but who has helped me make other friends. I know that her mother died a few years ago, and she and her father have had difficulty coping. Yesterday, I returned early when my class was canceled and was shocked to find her and her father having sex in our room! They were startled and he quickly explained that he is not her biological father. She told me later that the relationship with her adoptive father began after her mother’s death when she was 18, that it is fulfilling and she plans to continue it, though she promised I would not have to witness it again. I am concerned that this is unethical or illegal, and that he is taking advantage of her. I don’t want to lose my friendship or living situation, and I’m not sure what the school could do to help. Should I insist she seek counseling?

A: OK, this guy wins today’s sick dad contest. You’re right that this is breathtakingly unethical. I don’t have time to investigate during the chat what incest laws say about sex with a legal adult child, and the laws do vary by state, but whether the father is a prospect for the criminal justice system, he is an egregious violator of the soul of his daughter. It doesn’t matter that he is not her biological father. He has taken profound advantage of his motherless child, and that she says the relationship is fulfilling shows that she’s not really in a psychological state to assess what’s happening. The fact that he would visit her on campus to have sex shows how far outside the boundaries of sanity these two have gotten, or actually, how far he’s dragged her. You cannot insist she get counseling. But you can go to the counselor yourself and ask what to do. I also suggest you call the hotline of the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, explain what you’ve seen, and ask what you should do next. Your roommate has been a good friend to you, and now you have to be one to her. This means being kind and understanding, and turning to knowledgeable adults to see what should happen next.

Q. Stingy Socialite: There is a group of mothers at my children’s school who get together socially every now and then. We usually go to a restaurant for a meal. One mother always sits next to me and when it comes to paying (we all pay for our own meals) she pointedly looks at me and says she forgot her purse. It’s not like we dine out at luxury establishments, so the first couple of times I didn’t think much and paid for her. Each time she thanks me politely and says she’ll pay for me next time, yet she never does. I started sitting further away from her and avoided eye contact, but now she makes a point of asking me directly. I feel stingy saying no in front of everyone else when it’s not a great deal of money. But Prudie, this lady drives a new Audi and her husband is a prominent real estate agent in our area who sells multi-million-dollar mansions. I’m having a hard time imagining why she needs me to pay for her each time. How do I say no in a nice way?

A: They may have an Audi in the driveway, but that doesn’t mean it—and everything else—wasn’t paid for on credit. However, whatever her personal financial (or psychological) troubles does not mean you’re her personal lunch benefactor. You already know you’re never going to get repaid for the previous meals, but that doesn’t mean she should stick you with the tab for future ones. Next time you all get together, before being seated tell her explicitly you’re not paying for her lunch this time, and if she asks you in front of everyone, you’re going to say you can’t. Maybe she will find another soft touch, or maybe she will find her wallet.

Q. Partner With Disabled Child: I am a divorced mom of two lovely kids, ages 14 and 10. I have recently begun dating my college sweetheart, who is separated and in the process of divorcing. It is long distance, and he has one child in college and a 13-year-old autistic son. His son’s autism is severe—he functions at a preschool level and can be violent at times. Much of the burden of care for “Daniel” falls on my boyfriend—even though he and his wife are separated and Daniel lives with the mother, he is the one who bathes Daniel, puts him to bed each night, takes him to school, etc. We are very much in love and hope to marry, but I am concerned about the ramifications of what life with a severely challenged and potentially violent teen will bring to my kids. My youngest is half Daniel’s size. My boyfriend has been hurt by Daniel many times—black eyes, bloody noses, etc. Residential living is not an option until Daniel reaches age 18 at the earliest. Prudie, I truly love this man, but just don’t know if I can take this on.

A: Hold on there, Mom. Yes, many people reconnect successfully with past loves. But you aren’t even in the same town as yours, and he isn’t even divorced. This current iteration of your relationship is “recent” so it may be heady, but at this point in life you two need to have your heads on your shoulders and have the wisdom to remember what happens after the first flush of lust passes and the daily grind reasserts itself. I say you two put the marriage talk far aside, let your boyfriend finalize his divorce, and see how this relationship fares over the next year. Surely, if you want to be together, someone is going to have to move, which will mean a disruption for one set of kids’ access to both parents, and I assume also will require the moving partner to find a new job. All of you need to spend more time together to see how the families mesh (while making sure your kids are safe). Making deliberate and cautious decisions will let you know what you would be taking on and what you can handle.

Q. Wedding Etiquette Question: Our friends’ daughter is having a destination wedding that we won’t be able to attend. We wanted to get her a nice gift but most everything on the registry has been taken except for lots of little items and a $500 blender that’s out of our price range. Would it be appropriate to buy something from a store near them (some place like Macy’s) and send that? We’d send it with a gift receipt so they could get what they want though there is the risk that they don’t shop at that store. The other alternative is to give them money toward a down payment for a house but the idea of cash (or a gift card) doesn’t sit right with me. Any suggestions would be welcome.

A: For one thing, you could bundle a bunch of little items into one bigger gift. For another, it’s never wrong to get something lovely, while being thoughtful enough to enclose a return receipt. If you get anything less than a gracious thank you for what you do purchase, or the bride lets you know it would have been preferable to help them buy a house, then you can confidently forgo the baby shower gift.

Q. Adult Parent Child Dynamic: My 21-year-old daughter informed me of a weekend trip she was taking out of state (a five-hour drive) to visit her boyfriend and his family. I asked her to tell her overprotective father about her trip which she did not. Her father is in the habit of getting information about her through me. I constantly ask him to call or text her which he does not do. She normally calls or texts him when she has a problem, but they have very little day-to-day interaction. When she was on her way back she stopped through to say hello to us and told her dad about her trip. He is FURIOUS with me for not telling him where she was. I am not surprised but I think his anger should be directed toward our daughter. I saw nothing wrong with her trip but he would not have wanted her to go if he’d known in advance.

A: You’re lucky she still has a relationship with you if you wish your husband at blown up at her instead of you. Your daughter is an adult who does not need permission from her daddy to visit her boyfriend. You need to change the whole dynamic here. Start by telling your husband you are not the NSA and you’re not going to keep tabs on your daughter for his sake. Explain to him that his overprotectiveness is only pushing her away, and that he needs to deal with his anxiety about her. Seeing a counselor together should help him confront his overprotectiveness and give you better tools for having healthier relationships with the two people you love most.

Q. Not Invited to Wedding: I have known “April” since we were kids, and we’ve always gotten along, although we are both much closer to our mutual friend, “May.” April, May, and I get together at least once a year, since I live on an opposite coast now. I have known that April has been engaged since last year, and I had even factored her wedding into my summer plans. So I was a little surprised when she told me that she might not be able to invite me due to guest restrictions at her venue—although she also mentioned that 40 children were going to the wedding! She asked me for my address for a save the date that never came, and neither did an invitation. I admire that she was up front about everything, but I have to admit that I feel a little sad as her wedding approaches. (She was invited to, and came, to my wedding.) I also feel as though maybe I should take a hint from her? I am going to send her a present and wish her well, but I am wondering if I am looking too far or little into this snub. Do I pretend that all is well and continue the get-togethers, or do I take the message and maybe just stick to getting together with May?

A: Please tell me your name is really June. Anyway, it’s nearly June, and it’s wedding season, and so it’s time for people who are in the wedding party to complain about their indentured servitude and for those excluded from the wedding to be hurting from the snub. It sounds as if April has lost control of the event if it’s become a combination wedding ceremony and day care convention. She was upfront about your need not to save the date, but she didn’t burden you with the obvious fact that her relatives have browbeat her into taking over the guest list. You have always liked this woman but aren’t intensely close, so don’t conclude this is the closing of the friendship. Just send a gift and your best wishes and be glad that you can spend your money and vacation time on a holiday of your own choosing. 

Emily Yoffe: Thanks, everyone. Talk to you next week.

 

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