A dating coach for ex-Orthodox women.

Teaching an Ex-Orthodox Woman How To Date in New York

Teaching an Ex-Orthodox Woman How To Date in New York

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May 31 2012 12:33 PM

She’s Just Not That Into Jew

A dating coach for ex-Orthodox Jewish women.

Ex-Chasids dating.
Israel Irenstein, Sara's dating coach, with an unidentified woman at the Empire Hotel Rooftop on Saint Patrick's Day

Photograph by Royale Marketing Events.

“Why do I have to like bars?” Sara asks her dating coach, Israel Irenstein, as the three of us walk down the Bowery in Lower Manhattan toward Phebe’s Tavern and Grill. Sara, who three years ago left her husband, and three weeks ago decided once and for all that there is no God, doesn’t fit the profile of a divorcée on the prowl: She’s 22 years old. Her baggy sweater hides her figure. She doesn’t drink. Oh, and she’s never had a conversation with a secular man.

“You don’t have to do anything,” Irenstein tells her.

Glib as that sounds, his response reflects his experience. He’s used to the ex-Hasidic women he coaches inquiring about “rules”: “If I go on a date with him, won’t I have to sleep with him?” “What should I do?” “Don’t women have to dress up to go out at night?”


“They’re raised to do what they’re told,” Irenstein tells me. “They always did whatever their husbands and rabbis said. I try to teach them that secular life is about doing what you want, not what you’re ‘supposed’ to do.” In Sara’s case, bars are key to absorbing the lesson. “She has this image in her mind of what ‘bars’ are. But bars are a vital part of secular life. They’re a big part of dating.”

Last month, I wrote about Irenstein’s efforts to help Sam, a 29-year-old ex-Orthodox Jew, navigate the secular dating scene. Irenstein taught Sam basic facts about women and encouraged him to work on his self-image. Within the OTD (“Off the Derech” or ex-religious) community, Irenstein helps roughly five times as many men as he does women. Many OTD women have been raised to obey, to take a back seat, and to avoid speaking to men, so they are less likely to ask for help with their love lives. As a result, they often struggle once they’ve left the fold. The women Irenstein meets through Footsteps, the nonprofit that helps OTD’ers assimilate into secular society, are “miserable and alone, or they sleep with a million guys, or they settle for the first guy they meet, often another OTD’er.” When women do reach out to him, Irenstein is thrilled to help.

Sara grew up in California in one of the strictest Hasidic sects, where she learned that bars, public schools, non-Jews, and even Jews from other Hasidic sects, were to be avoided. At 18, she met her future husband for one hour. Then they married. Because she was entirely uneducated about sex, sleeping with her husband was so repulsive and frightening to her, she could endure it only a few times. After that, she spent months creating excuses until her husband got fed up, drained her bank account, and left her. Ostracized by her family and community, Sara realized she could either commit suicide or reinvent herself. So she saved up enough money to flee to New York.

Three years later, she has a small apartment and a job she’s not crazy about, but she’s proud of her self-sufficiency. However, she fears men, whom she associates with the trauma of her marriage. The only men to whom she so much as says hello are other OTD’ers. Even her employers, though not members of Sara’s former sect, happen to be Hasids (and her customers are women). “I’m not used to interacting with men,” she says. “It never happens. Some guys whistle at me in the street, but I’m not attracted to them. I want to meet guys I’m attracted to who are attracted to me.”

Beautiful with thick hair and long eyelashes, Sara holds intense eye contact that implies not “I’m comfortable in my skin,” but “I dare you to take me down.” Once you get her talking, she is startlingly open about the details of her life, and about how disappointed she is that she’s spent the last few years essentially alone. One of the main setbacks for OTD women like Sara is isolation—many socialize with other OTD’ers or no one at all. Because they don’t know what’s socially appropriate and what’s not, they often keep to themselves rather than risk social humiliation. They’ve done the hard work of leaving their communities, but they have no idea how to replace their old lives with new ones.

“There are things you can do,” Irenstein tells Sara. “For people like us, dating isn’t intuitive. We have to learn. People say ‘go with the flow,’ right? ‘Be yourself?’ ” He shakes his head. “Trust me,” he says, laughing, “don’t.”